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Politics Romney - Is he ready?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, May 15, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Ultimately, it comes down to objectives. What is Obama trying to achieve? I think he's fighting terrorism, though I don't agree with his methods, nor do I think he's being all that effective (especially given the "collateral damage").

    As for Romney, he's made clear that he'd be heavy-handed with Iran and Syria. He won't likely be using drones for handling those issues, as what's at stake there is strategic state targets and/or regime change.

    These are two different creatures.

    Beyond that, I think Romney will continue the Bush-era strategy on counterterrorism domestically and internationally, perhaps on a scale greater than Obama. As you've pointed out, we just have to look at his key players. This means that he may do worse than Obama in terms of violating rights "for the greater good."

    I think Romney will also create tensions between the West and Russia and China, both in terms of international military strategy, politics, and trade. I think he will be a champion of "American exceptionalism."

    It's not a question of Romney being worse than Obama. I think it's a question of Romney being worse than Bush.
     
  2. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    This is one of the many problems I have with Mitt. He seems to be willing to double down on many of the neo-cons agenda from the Bush years. And I'm not even sure it's him making the decisions. He seems rather comfortable in letting others take control of major policy issues. He's said whatever he's needed say to whatever group he's been speaking to to gain the upper hand in the election. Look at any speech he gave during the primaries then compare it to the things he said during the debate. People took big issue with his comments on his tax plan or plans (he seems to several conflicting plans that are completely dependent on his audience.) An issue that slapped me in the head was what he had to say about Simpson-Bowles. He's on all sides of this issue too, I guess. According to him in the debate parts of it were "a big wet kiss to Wall St." Not exactly what he's been telling his Wall St. fund raisers.

    To me it's clear he wants to be President. Anything after that, after he gains that title, he's fine with whatever his team wants to do and what many on his team want is pretty scary.
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    See...with me, that's another concern.
    It would be similar to what we saw with GWB and within his administration the more aggressive neo-cons setting policy and executing in their vision.
    Cheney, Rumsfield and all the other Imperial Troopers...

    Even GWB has gone into hiding when he finally figured out who was flinging the pool...betrayed by his own Cabinet.
    GW once he did get wise, actually took some action with thought...but it was too late, the foxes had been in the hen-house.

    My question is...if Romney were prez...who would be in control in truth??
    Who would be setting the agenda, his Super-Pac donors? The Tea Party? The Neo-Cons?
    I don't think I would mind if it GHWB's and old-school conservative bunch...but that's not who I'm seeing gathering around Romney recently.
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    This makes Romney something of a wild card. Talk about unelectable. At least Obama has kept or attempted to keep most of his promises.

    I wonder how that would even be tracked with Romney.
     
  5. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    the foreign policy advisors romney has assembled are genuinely unnerving. on that basis alone, i would expect significant political consequences globally for a romney victory. i may have said this before---but i expect people would assume that the united states had simply lost it's collective mind. this isn't to even start on the lunacy of the domestic agenda romney is touting---you can see by looking almost anywhere that neo-liberal thinking has only austerity as its solution for the crises that neo-liberalism implemented has triggered. and austerity is the simplest way to make an already tenuous-to-bad situation a whole lot worse.

    what's odd about the sporting event they call the presidential race at the moment is the degree to which the right's attack on polling numbers that reflected the dogshit quality of the conservative brand has converged with the institutional interests of the dominant media apparatus in having a good sporting event to talk about. the result is that it's almost impossible to get much of any real sense of where things stand. i find it alarming that romney is a real option for anyone. it's a demonstration of the degree to which the existing political machinery and the vast amounts of capital it distributes can make of anyone---even someone as utterly unappealing as mitt romney---appear a viable candidate.
     
  6. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    This is also why it's so difficult to debate Romney. I'll admit I didn't see this coming. Doesn't seem like Obama did either. How do you debate someone who simply says "that's not my position" anytime to try to point out one of his many, many, many vague positions? It's like he's giving a wink and nod to everyone. Pro-choice?, "yes of course." Pro-life?, "are kidding? Absolutely." Wall St. regulation? "Hate them... except the ones I like." Going to cut taxes on everyone?, "I keep saying that. But I'm going to work with congress (unlike Obama who worked against Congress, especially when the GOP went out of their way to work with him, wink, wink) to get rid of a bunch of deductions so it'll be "revenue neutral" so there's not going to be any "Fat Cat" tax cuts."

    It's like trying to discuss the issues with a phantom.
    --- merged: Oct 11, 2012 at 8:29 PM ---

    What is so different about your concerns and mine?
     
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  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Nothing, just flow of thought...it's how I write.
     
  8. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I remember our old "playground" rules. The guy who didn't get fucked with was the strong quiet guy who people thought might be just a bit nuts. People were very careful not to offend that guy, for fear that they did not know how he would respond combined with the knowledge that they knew that guy had the power to respond in a devastating manner. Life's most valued lessons are learned at a very young age. I don't expect pseudo-intellectuals to understand - must be nice to be sheltered.
     
  9. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    only a fool would be impressed with neo-con dick-waving. what you have to leave out is--o i don't know---actual information about the world and the american role in it.
    but we all know that the actually existing world is well down on your list of concerns.
    and that you understand information about the actually existing world to be the stuff of "pseudo-intellectuals"
    and you're impressed with neo-con dick-waving.
    so run the equation.
     
  10. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    It is more like gorilla chest thumping. There is a difference. Female gorillas do not engage in this behavior. for it is the chest thumping that leads to the dick...
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Toronto
    Actually, all gorillas engage in chest-beating, but adult males usually use it as a display of aggression, but sometimes use it in general excitement.

    I think dick-waving or sabre-rattling are more appropriate terms on this matter. Depending on the situation, pissing contest would also work.
     
  12. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I stand corrected. True any gorilla can thump their chest. My view of the concept is that if it is not being done to send a message of "don't fuck with me" it is not really what I would consider "chest thumping". But I agree with you.

    Dick-waving is more about vanity. Like you said chest thumping is more about aggression. The most aggressive gorilla doesn't care about how big his dick is, he just wants to make sure he gets to use it. I have heard that size does not matter to female gorillas. However I have never had a need to discuss that issue with any female gorillas, have you?
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    [Editor's Note: I can't believe I'm doing this....]

    Yes, the male gorilla typically is displaying the threat of aggression with chest-thumping, but I think the human analogue to that is sabre-rattling, which is why I brought it up.

    As for dick-waving, I think that's more or less indicating displays of superiority. This need not be all about aggression as would be indicated by sabre-rattling, which normally refers to the threat of military action specifically.
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    uhh...what are we speaking about?? Politics or Poll-dancing? (pun intended)
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    The implosion of conservative politics in America.
     
  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    ahh...but remember this is a America, a significant portion of the population eats red meat.
    And the Barbarians at the gate always return...happens in waves.
     
  17. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I will say it again, I can't trust Romney. He has Bolton and Wolfowitz as his foreign policy advisers (and I understand that Cheney is also involved). If the US is going to stay engaged as they are, I would rather have Obama and his team than anything like Bolton or Wolfowitz (and believe me, I have issues with some of Obama's foreign policy decisions).
     
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    OK, Romney's potential associates may be concerning...but that's ambigous and speculative.
    But speaking of which...
    I'd like to request a stand on the obvious and apparent of Romney's platform tactics so far.
    1. Take a stand - don't change your stance.
    2. Detail it out - don't just give vague generalities.
    Right now you might as well be Eddie Murphy's character at the beginning of The Distinguished Gentleman
    You will get into office on a hussle.

    This is why I don't trust him...not because of his race, his religion, his background...
    But because there is NOTHING to base this trust on.

    Hell, if you get down to it, even most in the GOP don't trust him.
    They don't know really for sure that he stands with the party's platform and politics.
    But he was the most electable and sane versus a group of fire-brands.
    It is mostly Anti-Obama fever, anybody but Obama...

    Now, even his "centrist" stances and policies of the past are coming into question,
    but only because they were expedient versus a Democratic majority in his state as Governor...not his original desires.

     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    Ok, this is too funny to not post...from our conservative friend, Steven Colbert
    Formidable Opponent
     
  20. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    This is posted on the World USA Wide Web. :(