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Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jul 12, 2016.

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  1. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    He was born to a rich New York realtor, so he won one game of pure chance. He also won out against his older brother Fred Trump Jr. and his children for Fred Trump Sr.'s inheritance.
     
  2. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    I understand that you hate Hillary but saying the two candidates are anywhere close to the same is a serious mistake.
    If you willing to go back in history it is like saying Lyndon Johnson was the same as George Wallace.
     
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  3. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

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    A little before my time, but, as I understand it Wallace was a candidate with only limited regional appeal. LBJ was an expert at navigating the jungle gym of the power structure, since he'd been (successfully) doing it for so long. A brief researching of the 1964 contest leads me to believe that comparing Trump with Barry Goldwater might be more accurate, although I didn't see anyone accusing Sen. Goldwater of basic dishonesty and lying.
     
  4. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    True, Goldwater wasn't a racist and didn't go out of his way to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
    He had principles and a code (no matter how wrong it might have been) which he stuck to no matter what.
    It lost him the election by such a wide margin that the Republican party vowed to never put an honest man up for election again (okay that was sarcasm but not too far off).

    Wallace on the other hand loved to whip up crowds, appealed to much the same kind of people (racist whites) that Trump is now (though he was more honest about it) and while yes, he only picked up certain states in the election, he did well in others that were a bit surprising.
    If you watch some of his speeches they have a very similar flavor to the current candidate.
    LBJ could be a vicious asshole when it was called for and wasn't above twisting arms, blackmail or lying if it served his purpose.
    He got us into the VietNam war for example with bullshit almost as bad Bush Jr.
    However, he did some really good things, too.
    And he felt bad enough about some of the bullshit to not run for president again, though he could have easily been reelected (or that's the way I'd like to think of it, which is probably not true but oh well.)
     
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  5. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  6. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    I would say that Trump has done some pretty heinous shit in his time as well.
    There is this list, then there is the statutory rape charges, the sneaking models into the country, the scam that is Trump College and his connections to Putin that make Russia willing to use it's elite hackers to tip the balance of the election.
    And if you don't believe me here is a good article to back it up.
    Trump’s history of corruption is mind-boggling. So why is Clinton supposedly the corrupt one? - The Washington Post

    As to what he has fucking said, (a) it indicates that he doesn't know what he is taking about on subjects that are important for a POTUS to understand like NATO, (b) that he is a thin skinned reactionary who can't take the slightest bit of criticism, and (c) that he likes to make dog whistle statements to keep his base in line.
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I'm more bothered by what Trump has done than what Clinton has done.
     
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  8. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    I recall Trump demanding that an accountant be fired because the accountant dared to say that most of Trump's wealth was on paper only, namely real estate holdings that were (and still are) subject to market downturns. IIRC the accounting firm was supposed to be independent, i.e. it was hired to present an accurate and unbiased report on Trump's true financial status.

    I tried to find the details, but my internet searches didn't turn up anything, but that doesn't surprise me because this going back quite a few years, and the internet is currently saturated with all thing (mostly negative) Trump.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    I was just reminded of this.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmfSWPmw86k
     
  10. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  11. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    This joke doesn't make sense. "Thou shalt not lie" isn't among the decalogue but the similar "Thou shalt not bear false witness..." is, and that's basically a fundamental tenet of the courtroom. Does this joke suggest that judges are liars, adulterers, or thieves? I can understand a joke that calls lawyers or politicians those things, but judges don't fit that stereotype very well for me. But what politicians are based in courthouses? I think Carlin held his own jokes to higher standards than this.

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    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME
     
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  12. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

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    Not really disagreeing with you, but some states do elect judges and others hold retention elections, where the voters can turn a judge out of office.
     
  13. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
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    I am disagreeing re the judges. Here in Texas we elect judges, even lowly justices of the peace. Many of them state their political party affiliation, are very active in various political processes (perhaps not too openly), and seek/welcome endorsements from politicians. It's not unusual for some judges to leave the bench and seek political office (being a former judge carries a certain amount of prestige).
     
  14. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Just to clarify, you're arguing that you consider some judges to be politicians, right? That's not really disagreeing with me, because my question wasn't intended to be strictly rhetorical! "Politician" doesn't have a single, unambiguous, technical definition, and so I invite different interpretations of the term. If I'm not mistaken, you and Lindy are suggesting that politicians are civil servants whose authority is granted by a representational system or who engage in partisanship, but I would definitely consider some appointed, nonpartisan officeholders in the US executive branch to be politicians. I might also consider appointed, nonpartisan judges to be adequately referred to as "politicians" in some contexts, but the context of this joke describes "a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians" as if there are non-judge politicians who also reside in a courthouse. Are there indeed such secretarial or bureaucratic political (rather than just legal) offices in the US judicial system? Probably, but I don't know what they are.
     
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  15. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

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    At a County Courthouse in Kansas or Nebraska, besides the judges may also reside the County Clerk, County Assessor, Registrar of Deeds, County Sheriff, County Attorney, County Commissioners, County Jail, Building Inspectors, DMV, etc., I'm sure I've missed some.;)

    But especially in a smaller population county, all the county government departments/functions that take care of the county business will probably reside in the Courthouse along with the judges. And a lot of the department heads or county officials are elected. Sometimes the offices just get passed around, so, this years County Assessor may be County Treasurer a few years later. Sucking on the same public cow, different teat. A lot of officials in small population counties really are the servants (in the best sense of the word) of their friends and neighbors.

    @Street Pattern is a public official, and is the TFP resident knowledgeable one on local government officialdom.:)
     
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  16. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  17. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    This is what he actually said:

    "Anytime you throw your weight behind a political party that controls two-thirds of the government, and that Party can't keep the promise that it made to you during election time, and you're dumb enough to walk around continuing to identify yourself with that Party, you're not only a chump, but you're a traitor to your race."


    Which oddly enough seems like it could work for whites as well as blacks by the way.
    But be that as it may, he was talking about the Civil Rights Act and the Dixie-crates many of whom hadn't flipped to becoming Republicans yet.
    And he wasn't killed for a couple of more years later.

    Here's the speech if you're interested, the man could light up a room, that's for sure.

     
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  18. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    This statement from Malcolm X applies to the Republican Party today in the way that it applied to the Democratic Party in 1964. The Republicans currently have the majority in both the House and Senate, as Malcolm X said of the Democrats in this speech, and they're the major conservative party today, whereas before 1964 the Democrats were conservative (which is probably why the left-wing activist Malcolm X says voting for them makes you "a traitor to your race"), and the Republicans were liberal.

    NB: This speech seems to have been given in 1964. Malcolm X died in February of 1965.
     
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  19. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  20. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    See those people over there son?


    They are Trump supporters whining because they can't use words that prove them to be racist, misogynist, assholes.
     
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