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Refute Political Memes Here

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by genuinemommy, Jul 12, 2016.

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  1. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    A radio ad for the Obama campaign claimed that Hillary "will say anything and change nothing" but not that she "can't be trusted and isn't qualified"–that's the right-wing propaganda machine talking. Barack Obama: 'Hillary Clinton Isn't Qualified to Be President' : snopes.com

    So what has Obama said about Hillary's qualifications? He actually commented on this in the speech you see him giving in the above image, which wasn't in 2008 but last month, in 2016. He said "That's why I can say with confidence that there has never been a man or a woman–not me, not Bill, nobody–more qualified to serve as President of the United States of America."


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fZZsmPFPk
     
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  2. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  3. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    This is great news! Since having had a black girlfriend clearly means you're not racist, I'm gonna tell my last ex that because she's female, I'm not actually sexist. After all, my mother was a woman, so how could I really be a misogynist? It's not like I've ever said "I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?"

    While I'm at it, our history books should be changed to reflect that the Confederacy wasn't racist towards blacks, because it enlisted a handful of them to fight for the lost cause. Hitler wasn't anti-Semitic, because he had Jewish friends during his childhood in Vienna. Stalin wasn't a murderer, because some of his most trusted state officials were alive for as long as he was!

    Here's another politician who loves the blacks for who they are, despite their shortcomings:


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-4ATrE8n0

    And Trump loves the Jews for who they are:

    “I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."

    See? Actual black people work for him! Obviously not racist.
     
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  4. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  5. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Because it actually says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." which means something completely different?
     
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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    According to Oxford Dictionaries, a "well-regulated militia" would be a "military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency" that is "properly governed or directed; (now) especially strictly controlled by rules or regulations."

    So this "being necessary to the security of a free State" suggests that a lack of gun control, gun regulations, etc., is both unconstitutional and counter to the security of a free state.

    well-regulated - definition of well-regulated in English from the Oxford dictionary

    militia - definition of militia in English from the Oxford dictionary
     
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  7. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    The answer to this riddle is that gun control, regulations, restrictions are placed on the sale and carry of firearms and not on the right to keep and bear them.

    Redravin and Baraka_Guru are correct that the remaining half of the second amendment's language declares that the necessity of a well regulated militia is the reason why the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

    I commend the creator of this graphic for choosing a fictive criminal psychopath to provide a voice for gun rights. If the Riddler's heroic adversary, the Batman, were used to present this argument, the message would be much less convincing, as, like most superheros, Batman is almost always shown to avoid using firearms.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVW6SH2bjYQ
     
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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Amazing how people pick & choose what's convenient for them
    and ignore what's inconvenient...
     
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  9. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Many of the victims of police brutality that we see in the media weren't even armed. Among those that were, many didn't actually point any guns. The guns were found on them after the fact.

    All this meme is doing is stating the obvious. (Though stupidity might not be the factor. It depends on the context.)
     
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  11. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    So this isn't a political meme; sue me. I find it interesting that a song released in 1974 condemning Richard Nixon can be applied to politics 42 years later.

    You Haven't Done Nothin'
    by Stevie Wonder (1974)

    We are amazed but not amused
    By all the things you say that you'll do
    Though much concerned but not involved
    With decisions that are made by you

    But we are sick and tired of hearing your song
    Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views
    You haven't done nothing


    It's not too cool to be ridiculed
    But you brought this upon yourself
    The world is tired of pacifiers
    We want the truth and nothing else, yeah

    And we are sick and tired of hearing your song
    Telling how you are gonna change right from wrong
    'Cause if you really want to hear our views
    You haven't done nothing

    Jackson 5 join along with me say doo doo wop
    Hey hey hey, doo doo wop
    Wow wow wow, doo doo wop
    Hm hm hm, doo doo wop
    Co co co, doo doo wop
    Bum bum…


    Edit--Uh oh. I hope that I removed the formatting that made this too dark to read.
     
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  13. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Yes, it's readable now. Nice song and good lyrics.

    This quotation checks out as having been delivered in JFK's address on the Cuban Missle Crisis, but I can refute it because I genuinely think the president was wrong about this.

    The cost of freedom isn't always high. Wars can be averted with diplomacy.

    US forces choose to surrender in order to save lives when there's no chance of victory. That's a responsible and humane thing to do. The United States has surrendered at the battles of Queenston Heights, Harpers Ferry, Bataan, Corregidor, and in the Bay of Pigs invasion (which occurred under JFK one year before he gave this speech).
     
  14. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  15. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Another misattributed quotation. Thomas Jefferson never said or wrote anything as foolishly simplistic as that.

    Do you know which celebrated historical figure did once write this? Henry David Thoreau: a pacifist, environmentalist, anarchist progressive. The ethos his name provides probably wouldn't go over as well with the wingnuts who repost these images across social media.
     
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  16. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  17. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Fair enough...

    And when there actually is equality we can quibble that fucking point but right now the course is still rigged pretty thoroughly to give certain people a garunteed result.
     
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  18. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    This is another case of a simplistic view that regrettably arrives at an intellectually lazy conclusion because it doesn't examine the subject very deeply.

    "Giving everyone an equal chance" is a concept commonly represented by the example of equal opportunity employment. Putting aside the fact that American employers still discriminate by race and other illegal factors (employers on average are significantly more likely to reject a resume with a black-sounding name than the same resume with a white-sounding name), equal opportunity employment isn't enough to be fair or equitable to everyone, because some people are legitimately unable to work. That's why the federal government administers unemployment welfare and disability benefits. For human rights such as having an adequate standard of living, an equal result is the only thing that matters.

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    Equality is only fair under the assumption that everyone starts from the same place. This assumption is obviously invalid. People who happen to have been born into wealthy families don't need as much outside support as people who happen to have been raised by a single parent in an impoverished community with languishing schools because stupidly, American public schools are funded by local property taxes, which increases the income gap because the best schools are only available to the wealthiest communities.

    So, fair isn't merely equal. Fairness, or equity, depends on an equal result.
     
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  19. Knight Templar

    Knight Templar Holy Warrior

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  20. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Tell me, what did Hillary lie about concerning Benghazi?
    Seriously, give me real facts and not something out of the rightwing wind tunnel.
    Some actually stated fact that has been proven and vetted, something that has been passed through the (how many has there been now? three, four) investigation by Congress.

    If you have that then I will happily put up with this stupid bullshit, otherwise, no more on Benghazi, unless it is to point out that the Republicans cut funding to the security of the embassies for many years in a row and are every bit as responsible.
     
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