People who claim to see spirits, what explanation can we give them?

I was watching this documentary on science and how it explains NDE about energy, quantum mechanics/physics type stuff.

 

right, and that's my whole problem. there's a ton of crap out there, but it's all very squirrely or explainable. in spite of all the seasons of paranormal reality shows we've gotten along with all the youtube iphone grabs, the best they ever come up with even when they go out of their way to find it is a weird e.v.p. or a chair moving an inch that probably had an intern pulling it on a string off screen.

you'd think by now with all the people that have had experiences they swear by that if there was something concrete to have as evidence it would have been gotten by now, and if there was one solid piece of evidence, there should be a lot more with how common a thread it is in our cultures to have people going through them and how readily available the tools to collect evidence are now.

 

But what constitutes "concrete" in terms of evidence? What video or photo could possibly be sufficient to dispel disbelief? If anyone has or is able to capture the real McCoy on film, won't questions as to its authenticity always arise? As simple as it may be to catch a ghost on tape, how simple as well to doctor a video?

Evidence, if it exists and can be obtained, will come from science, not videos or photographs which will never be able to stand up to scrutiny or dispel absolute doubt.

 

well, i guess we'd know it if we saw it? there are professionals that can vet photo and video and say it's a legit capture. if so many people swear up and down that they've laid eyes on distinct apparitions or have had a plate fly across the room by itself or float and even more so that a lot of places have these things regularly happen by people's accounts anyway, it stands to reason that someone would be able to film this somewhat more believably than has been accomplished so far, especially 10 or 15 years after the advent of camera phones.

 

Some still deny the existence of UFO's seen by hundreds, caught on video, and vetted by professionals.

I daresay that spirits, if they exist, would/should be more difficult to capture on video considering their lack of mass and overall failure to adhere to physical law as we know it.

I've seen plenty of videos and photos that have caused me to pause but can't imagine any that would nail the event down adequately to make a true believer out of me no matter the technology used or who vetted it. To be honest, I would question even those professionals who would label something a "legit capture." Legitimate of what? The most I would expect them to label it as is "unexplained."

 

sure, i have a problem with ufo's and bigfoot and the loch ness monster for all those same reasons. maybe spirits are less corporeal, but if an eyewitness is able to describe a beard or a cowboy or civil war outfit and several people have the same account, that puts it in the same boat as the ufo's. i haven't seen quality believable footage of any of that stuff so it makes me skeptical. and maybe i wouldn't be completely swayed into believing with just a quality video, but it would sure be a start.

 

I agree that it would nice to see a clear photo or video of a supernatural event. I'd even appreciate it if the corporeal aspects of it weren't as grainy or out of focus as the "ghost". Definitely too much of that sort of thing out there.

 

The interpretive brain has hundreds of thousands of years of evolution that optimized it for pattern recognition and was subjected to selective pressure to err on the side of interpreting nothing as something rather than discounting it because reacting to false alarms is a lot safer than discounting even one real warning or sign of danger.

Anyone who claims quantum mechanics proves the existence of something supernatural is either a fraud trying to sell you something or someone who lacks the understanding of quantum mechanics to realize that the frauds are selling a bunch of made-up bullshit.

This is special pleading. If something can be seen, it is emitting light in the visible spectrum. If something can be heard, it is producing sound in the range of audible frequencies. There are a few exceptions such as infrasound producing sympathetic resonance in the eye and producing the illusion of movement in the visual field or certain strong magnetic fields producing hallucinations, but those are also measurable.

 

On the 1st year anniversary that my grandfather died, every clock in my grandmothers house stopped.

I only see two possible answers

1 - she is a lair
2 - something "supernatural" happened,

 

Old people can't be trusted.

 

liar...

And maybe she is...