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This is one of the better responses I've seen to the Women Against Feminism.
It's got Patrick Stewart and sharks, how can it be wrong?

Women Who are Ambivalent about Women Against Women Against Feminism | The Bloggess

 

And in the meantime Women Against Feminism has a response to all the Feminists who are against Women Who Aren't Feminists.




Along with a very well thought out and coherent explanation which feminists will no doubt completely ignore, as always:

 

Yes I'm sure it does according to you baraka, after all they disagree with feminism so of course they must be wrong, they must not understand feminism, because after all how could anyone ever be right and disagree with feminism? It's simply not possible.

 

In my lifetime I've probably known over a hundred feminists, male and female. .
You know what, not one of them has ever said any of the things on the right side of that sad little meme.
I'd go with the dictionary if I were you, I know I do.
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Which was kind of the point of the article I posted but you'd have to pay attention to catch that.

 

Hope it didn't seem like I was taking a shot at you @Baraka_Guru.
I was trying to say I agreed with you but looking back at the post it doesn't come across that way.

 

I mentioned this in the twitter thread, but it bears repeating here:

There are so many flavors of feminist on Twitter, and they disagree with each other so often about many fundamental things. So the idea that feminism is uniform in any respect seems ridiculous to me.

 

Not sure if Kenny Powers reference takes into account fact that Kenny Powers the character is a caricature or if something more subtle is afoot.

 

Women Against Feminism is a Tumblr blog? Administered by whom? Citing that page really hurts the credibility of your argument. The overwhelming majority of the women who post photos (photos!) on there are under 30...not a population you want backing up what needs to be a nuanced argument.

One of the first cue cards ends with "P.S. I love to watch when my Teddy Bear eats food prepared by me "

The explanation of why they don't need feminism falls short for me too. And you know what? Maybe they don't need it! But I guarantee you most women (and men!) do, for now and probably for hundreds of years longer.

 

Yes, "Women Against Feminism". The thing that everyone's been talking about for several posts now. The exact, specific, thing that is currently being discussed.

Arkana here's a little tip: if you're going to talk about credibility trying to attack someone's credibility for linking to the specific website that everyone is currently talking about is a lot more damaging to yours than the person who's linking directly to the exact specific website that everybody is currently talking about.

In fact I would say it's completely damaging to your credibility. As in all of it, in totality.

There is not one man on this earth that needs an ideology which fights against laws which would make raping him a crime, his right to equal custody, his right to be recognized as a rape victim, his right not to be arrested for trying to call the police on his abuser, his right to be recognized as a domestic violence victim, commits felonies to prevent anyone from even talking about helping suicidal men or allowing battered husbands to speak, bankrupts men's shelters and drives their owner to suicide through abuse and harrassment, routinely floods people with death and bomb threats for even trying to help men, and has even escalated to shootings against people who shelter male domestic violence victims.

All without a single mainstream major act of opposition or criticism. Not. One. The westboro baptist church does nothing but hold signs and they are routinely buried behind crowds of dozens ot hundreds of protesters and are so ostracized from society they can't even get slashed tires fixed at a shop.

Feminists on the other hand can't even manage to have a single major mainstream website which says "Yknow we really disagree with these people committing violent crimes in our name while we do absolutely nothing to stop them". The largest feminist website on the entire internet has run articles mocking domestic violence victims and even a man who was kidnapped, imprisoned, and repeatedly raped.

They can't even be assed to engage in slackvism against this stuff. Let alone actually show up with some signs or just to provide some opposition to people committing felonies.

An economist said it better than I can:

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Disagree about feminism, not disagree with feminism. Remember how many times you embarassed yourself by proving you never even read my post in the other thread? You're slipping into old habits again.

Yes yes we've heard it all before. "Feminism is not monolith" whenever you need to No True Scotsman or NAFALT criticism away, and then suddenly Feminism IS monolith when it's time for you to attack someone using the tired old "feminism is equality, if you don't support feminism you hate women" cliche.

 

Let's try another subject that causes major differences in the feminist community.
Maybe we can get away the foam at mouth stuff and let's talk about porn.


There are feminists who like porn, even make it.
Others hate it with a passion, consider the entire concept degrading to woman.

What's funny is that the strident generation of anti porn feminists is still around but seems to be dying out as the next generation who are my daughters age and grew up with the Internet aren't as quick to censor.

But the debates between the groups rage on and are a great example of how feminism is about equality but it's rarely agreed as to the best approach.
As Mother Jones said "Whatever your battle, don’t be lady like. "

 

Why are we still feeding the trolls?

 

No true Scotsman would feed a troll.

 

Relevant: Why Are We So Conflicted About Manhood in the Modern Age? - The Art of Manliness

Relevant: Woman Takes Short Half-Hour Break From Being Feminist To Enjoy TV Show - The Onion

Relevant: Stop Living for the Approval of Women - The Art of Manliness

 

The trolling tactic of taking my own posts calling out your actions and swapping the names around is cute, and I'll give it a 6/10 on the aggravating scale, but you've already used it once and just like last time it just doesn't work. It's as absurd on its face as a republican trying to call a democrat a "teabagger", or a climate change denier trying to claim a climate change scientist is going against the consensus of virtually all modern science.

You can't accuse the guy who cites facts and evidence so much that almost every single post he made was peppered with at least 2-3 links of never citing his sources, it's just silly.
You can't say it's impossible to disagree with feminism and then accuse the person who rejects that of saying it's impossible not to disagree.
You can't accuse the person who's explained his logic to the point of extreme minutae of each individual logical step of simply ignoring things.
You can't claim the person who provides extensive evidence and explains step by step how and why your studies were rigged is the one who's falsifying and rigging data without proof of your own.

Or maybe you can, after all you've been willing to lie about everything else, why not lie about me too?

You want to talk about double standards? Everytime feminism's come up on this forum you and yours have stooped so low as to resort to flat out namecalling and even outright bigoted slurs, to the point you and your band of playground bullies have flat out scared people out of posting for fear they'd be subjected to the sheer level of verbal abuse and harassment I was, and yet I was the one that got threatened with disciplinary action... not surprising giving I'm arguing with multiple staff members. I mean hell I couldn't even try to contact staff when people resorted to flat out namecalling in the other thread without one of you attacking me there too.

You want to talk about honest arguments? You and yours are so dishonest you've been caught MULTIPLE TIMES flat out ignoring my posts to the point you were attacking me over things other people had said, let alone your cheap "if you disagree with me that proves me right" tactics or constant No-True-Scotsmanning of anything inconvenient to your perfect feminism.

You want to talk about lies? Look at your own posts.