Occupy Wall Street

I like how Eddie thinks that "bringing the outsourced jobs back to America" a) is as easy as flipping a switch and b) will somehow make American more prosperous. How much do you think the labor is getting paid over there, Eddie? You're either proposing that companies should gladly pay American wages when they're currently paying pennies on the dollar (ie they'll gladly take a huge cut to their profits) or that Americans should be paid the same wages as India or China.

 

Is there a Tea Party platform or issues agenda that you can share with us?

On the issue of preserving constitutional freedoms, I understand that to mean removing federal judges who make decisions with which the TP folks disagree....despite the Constitutional safeguards against such action.

The only other TP issues I am aware of are the Grover Norquist/Koch Brothers issues: lower taxes especially on the top (despite the top 0.1 percent having the lowest taxes in 50 yrs), repeal the Affordable Care Act, a balanced budget amendment (just failed in the House this week), smaller government (drastically cut spending that primarily impacts the working poor and middle class), do away with many federal regulations and rely on the market to voluntarily protect the interests of the people, protect big oil and oppose any legislation to address global warming.

Did I miss anything.

 

Yeah, that really isn't a very accurate summation of the American Revolution or the surrounding Canadian history. And by that I mean "it bears no ressemblance to what actually happened".

The "prosperity" that you mention came in large part from traders who shipped goods to England as well as other European countries. What you seem to have forgotten is that in the first 50 years of independence, the US fought no less than 2 (and possibly 3, depending on how you count it) wars solely to defend those traders. If you're still clueless, ask your favorite Marine. The US grew on trade with Europe and later Asia, not on the explotation of our own natural resources (although we did that too). If you look at who's gotten rich over the past 250 years, the majority of folks have been involved in moving things from one spot to another. Those who have produced those goods, except for those producing war material, haven't faired as well.

 

I don't want isolationism so much as I want American money and American votes to go towards making Americans wealthier...not global wealth. Let other independent nations take care of themselves. That's not America's job. Our politicians and our corporations need to get back to making America strong.

We could bring outsourced jobs and manufacturing back to America by doing a number of things. Creating better incentives for corporations, creating legislation that would require American companies to employ American workers, legislation that would limit the number of goods imported.

 

american money and votes are going to make americans wealthier. it's just to top 1% of americans. but of course, they're more worthy than you are and free market capitalism demonstrates that. were that not true, you'd be among the elite. because that's how god works in a capitalist context. it's all part of the protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism. and people thought max weber was just riffing. o no.

actually, i think that the supply-pool based model of transnational production absolutely has to change, but i haven't heard a single coherent statement from a paulbot about how that could be done. it seems they imagine another "hey kids, let's put on a musical" moment. for example, in a supply pool, a company contracts with suppliers that are owned independently. so the company itself could employ american workers (but typically is administratively fragmented in ways that parallel how production/procurement are fragmented---the call center is a good example, but this fragmentation in the interest of cheaper labor in the name of free market capitalism is creeping steadily up the administrative hierarchies of many corporations...) and change nothing. what has to go is this ludicrous markety-market way of thinking. but the paulbots are too emotionally attached to it like a bad novel that they read for the ayn randy bits..

 

No, American money is going towards making Chines, Taiwanese, and Indians wealthier.

 

You mean like the stimulus program that the Tea Party opposes...that, according to a CBO report just released, added nearly 7 million (mostly private sector) jobs since '09 through govt grants to the private sector and tax incentives for small business (to offset the nearly 8.5 million jobs lost from the 07-09 recession)?
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/195181-cbo-says-obama-stimulus-still-helps-economy

Govt spending, not trickle down from tax cuts for the top o.1% created jobs.

So remind me again why the Tea Party opposes the latest jobs bill to create tens of thousands of more jobs to fix the crumbling infrastructure to make the US more competitive.

 

Because it's a socialist bill. It's the government creating jobs and it's not our government's place to create jobs. It's the free market's place to create jobs. The government should not control the ebb and flow of unemployment.

What are you talking about? I don't want a nanny state.

 

Its a socialist bill for the govt to provide private sector jobs?

How do you suggest we fix the infrastructure?

 

They wouldn't be private sector jobs. They would be gubment jobs. Just like WPA.

 

Nope.

They are grants and tax incentives to the private sector, just as most of the stimulus was in creating those nearly 7 million (mostly private sector) jobs.

 

How is limiting the amount of imports and requiring American companies to employ American's nanny statism?

 

gubment intervention.

 

i don't think this meme "nanny state" means shit. it's just another stupid conservative emptiness.