Occupy Wall Street

And it appears that, at least for right now, they have no intention of outlining any. It's a protest, not a financial summit.

Of course you meant to say there are fringe elements who want a socialized type of government. Commie is a relic of the past used pejoratively by the Rush Limbaugh's and Glenn Beck's of the world much in the same way parents used to scare their children with the "Bogeyman".

 

You think pointing out your posts are inconsistent is some effort on my part to be an asshole? It not and I'm not trying to nick pick either I'm merely stating you can't claim their is no agenda and the agenda is bat crap crazy.

 

Pan, how long did these people blockade this woman's store before she went out of business? It seems quite extraordinary to me. Did the police not intervene?

Also, can you cite references to people bitching about their inability to charge their i-phones/laptops? This keeps coming up, and I don't hear any bitching or complaining along those lines.

 

Not that it truly makes a difference but yeah, I can see the meaning there. Still have to question the use of the word and why "citizens" could not have been used. You just never know with the way the press and government thinks about the people here.

 

Hah. More fox news babble. :lol:
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No, it takes a small amount of mental thought to understand that the points are consistent. You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not see that.

 

A month and a half, end of September. The police would come by and try to disperse them but they would just go right back in front of her store0 when the police left.

Yes, she and I were walking to her car and a couple of "technobrats walked by her and stated, "damn we have to go to McD's and charge our phones and laptops" looked at her and laughed, then ran away. I had seen them at the GA meeting earlier that day.

 

So, if my son is trapped at the bottom of a dark cave and rescuing him might mean sacrificing my own life as well, I need to go in there blind rather take a flashlight in with me?

Who the fuck said that? You're putting words in my mouth, pan. Go back and reread my post.

No, they are not supposed to be so judgmental of those that have not chosen to sit at home - those who have chosen to sleep in the cold because they place certain ideals above their own comfort. You have a real knack for twisting around what people say or posting totally unrelated comments.

If what you claim is true, it was not right for them to do that. I don't believe anyone here would agree that setting up a private protest outside a small business for the purpose of denying that woman customers is acceptable behavior. Was everyone involved in the protest all in on this or just some?

Would you judge the many by the few?

 

Completely disagree.

I went back and read through it several times now. First you claim you were turned off by the statements and actions of the movement. You listed three bullet points on the topic. A few posters, including myself, pointed out that's not really representative, in anyway, of the movement. You then posted a post where you quote some poster on another site who calls for a bunch of crazy stuff, stuff the owners/admins of that site point out no way represents the movement. I think they used the term "never n a million years" would they agree with these demands. Also in that post you also post a link to a Daily Caller(?)article. You then post a response to a poster questioning why this movement is different then others in US history and you claim it's because "they aren't asking for anything."

You're going around in circles, with some red baiting thrown in for good measure. And somehow that makes me obtuse and an asshole. Umm, ok if you say so.

 

Not even close. Not saying that there couldn't be a handful of libertarians in ows, but the agenda of the movement is clearly socialist.

No. But I've been to China.

 

I would hope that you would have time to go get a flashlight or help of some for him.

The point was that the post sounded like you felt no one had a right to complain unless they themselves were protesting. If that was not the case I apologize, it would have been a simple miscommunication on both our parts.

this is not the easiest for to communicate in for me, I admit it. If you feel I was twisting what you said I apologize, but again, I felt that you were basically saying that if someone was sitting at home they had no right to complain about the protesters and their behavior because they weren't willing to "sacrifice" like the protesters. If that is not what you meant I truly apologize for the misunderstanding.

It is sadly very true, every last detail. Even as she walked to her car.

It appeared so like I said there were some people that were members of the GA and very recognizable, that asked politely (in firm ways) for people to stand in certain areas. One of those areas was right in front of her store. There was no one refusing. So, while I can't say EVERYONE was ok with it, I can state as fact NOT ONE person did anything or said anything to stop it. Again, when the police would walk by and ask to clear the area and the police would leave they'd be right back there. I did not see it personally as like I said the only interaction I saw with police was the fact that they asked people to stay on the sidewalk and not block traffic. My one regret is that I could have spoken out and I could have done something but I chose not to out of unjustified fear. I also knew that was going to be her last day so even if I had done something it was too late. Needless to say that was my last time there and I have refused to support them or any OWS since.

In this case yes. The attitudes and actions I saw were uncalled for it was a classic mob mentality. She won't let us go potty so we will show her.

And again, there are some here that before I told the story stated that people losing jobs/businesses and couldn't pay bills just had to suck it in. It was all part of the grand scheme of things. That it was important for "technobrats" to have their gadgets and it was ok for them to complain. BUT the ones losing businesses and jobs and security had no right to bitch. They don't deserve sympathy, compared to those outside suffering the cold and horrendous conditions they volunteered to live through because of their beliefs (which is in fact noble) and heaven forbid a propane tank gets confiscated or an I Phone or laptop cannot be charged, that's criminal, how will they contact the world? How will the world know their plight if they can't do a live webcam? Screw the people losing their jobs and businesses that techno BS is far more important to have than people's lives are.

Again if that is what OWS and the occupiers are about, I'll stick with what we have. It's a tad bit more humane (not much more but it is more).

 

Not everyone is averse to paying their due in taxes to improve our way of life, Eddie. Millionaires have called upon DC to denounce the Bush tax cuts as detrimental to our society and economy. Californians are following suit:

Californians willing to pay higher taxes for better schools

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-poll-schools-20111120,0,6181051.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

 

Used to to be a badge of honor to pay your taxes. I can remember my father and uncle often using the phrase 'I'm a true American, I pay my taxes." And the tax rates then were higher then they are now.

 

You've paraphrased it somewhat, but that is essentially what I'm pointing out, but if you cannot look beyond the actions of a few to see the larger benefit of these protests, for me, you, and your friend, than nothing I can say will adequately explain my point.

 

And if you feel the protesters sacrifice is greater than that of someone losing their business/job and security has sacrificed less (and in some cases involuntarily) and that family and friends of said people have no right to complain then then there is nothing I can say to you that will adequately explain my point.

How does protesting in front of her store because she caught them stealing when she allowed them to use her potty and thus refused them and they were vindictive, help her?
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On one hand you say this:

and then you say this:

So which is it?
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last I checked people in the USA had the right to complain about anything, just as the protesters have their right. You may not like it nor like what they say, but they have that right.

 

Of course anyone can complain or express an opinion about anything.

I think what some find disingenuous is attributing the words and/or actions of a handful of people to the goals of the larger national movement which seems to be a recurring theme here with some of those who are opposed to OWS.

 

and I find the lack of sympathy for the innocent people BY THE MAJORITY, pathetic and self righteous bullshit.

How can you honestly say you are helping someone when you have proven to be vindictive? I just don't see that. And if that is what OWS is truly about then I hope the law cracks their heads and beats them down. MY OPINION. I will show the same remorse and sympathy the OWS and people here showed my friend.

 

I would suggest that the MAJORITY of OSW protesters and supporters are very sympathetic to the millions of people who have seen their wages stagnate and their interests co-opted by special interests....which is why they taken to the streets to bring greater attention to the problem.

 

So the goal is to punish people that won't cave in to your demands? and this benefits ALL people how?