Occupy Wall Street

So, let's say we cut taxes. Let's also pretend that all of that tax saving went into paying new employees (and I don't know why it would because - hey- they are cheaper abroad - but we're playing with fantasies here, so let's go with it). Let's look at what percentage of that original tax cut we get back in taxes - not good is it? It won't help with the deficit. Where's the trickle-down? It hasn't materialised in the past, why would it now?

Anyway, surely the incentive would be to expand overseas? Those out of work people can pay extra to make up the deficit (or we can remove the benefits of living in a wealthy nation because they aren't so useful to "us" any more).

I wonder how they will feel about that? This democracy thing could be awkward. Let's rig it. Then it doesn't matter who they vote for. It's all good. If we get it right, we won't have to pay tax at all!

 

what you dont get, eddie, is that the ability of corporations to do that is an ideological effect. what ows is after is that ideology. which is why far right people like you are panicking---because it's your politics that's the objective, that is the enemy. funny thing is that it's the implementation of your politics that's brought us to this point. so it's not surprising that people like you don't get it.

 

Cutting taxes alone isn't going to bring the jobs back to America. You have to limit the power of the unions as well. You have to give strong financial incentives if you want to bring the jobs back.
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I'm not panicking.

 

jobs without unions, eh? sounds like a GREAT situation for all these newly employed American workers.

 

I didn't say get rid of the unions. I said limit their power.

 

Not enough. They still gather together and make ridiculous demands. Meanwhile the corporations are saying "screw you, we'll get the Indians to do it."
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Because if you don't the corporations will never bring those outsourced jobs and manufacturing back to America. It's just not financially feasible.

 

I don't want the world in my nutshell. I've got enough people in here as it is.

 

Yeah, Americans are way too good to work for $400 a month.

 

You take away any and all tax monies and deductions that support them (i.e. corporate welfare). You get a strong president in there that explains what I did here and how if they continue to "sabotage" our country by destroying the tax base then we tax their product as imports from foreign countries and tariff the Hell out of it while offering tax breaks and other aid to companies making product here.You tell Nike, they want to make shoes overseas, fine but New Balance gets tax cuts and for every 100 employees it hires that were unemployed or on gov't assistance New Balance gets tax credits for it.

Short term, yes it may hurt government and the budget, long term Nike will see New Balance able to sell cheaper shoes, make more money, have far more brand loyal patrons and have far more respect nationwide. Nike will eventually fold or stop doing business here all together (which would be doubtful).

You may say, but by raising taxes on all imports you will in essence raise prices. Price controls, to manage and keep companies from punishing the customers and populace for their greed and questionable business practices. "how much are you going to sell that Nike shoe for? $150 a pair? We're taxing you $75 for that pair and you can sell them for $160."

You want to play hard ball and play "pity the fucking rich", while they cannibalize and destroy this nation all the while they are talking about "how patriotic" they are as they sabotage the tax base and destroy the infrastructure with malice? Then the government and the people should be using a 45 oz, thick as Hell, Louisville slugger and bashing the company down.

Trust me, you put that "New Balance plan" into action, get on TV explain that every job they ship overseas takes "x" amount of money out of the tax base and CREATES much more tax burden as in unemployment as in food stamps, college loans, basically social programs. THE VERY social programs the owners of these companies that are putting hard workers on them want taken away.

In the end, not only are the greedy fucks destroying the tax base here but they are creating the need for more tax burden. So when you can PROVE to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that is not true, that shipping jobs overseas and closing factories here down in no way shape or form hurts the tax base or adds to people needing the social programs net that the very people wanting to take that net away are the ones creating the need for it, then I MAYBE will join in the "don't tax the rich more " chorus.

Until then look at it this way and prove me wrong: I own a company I have 250 people working in a factory in Des Moines, I pay property taxes, state taxes, payroll taxes and I have 250 workers each paying those same taxes (Granted not as much as I do obviously. I close that factory down, move it to China/wherever I can get cheap labor. So I just put 250 people on unemployment, food stamps, and so on. The city, county, state and federal governments not only LOST that tax revenue but now they are having to PAY OUT in social programs 250 times more than they were. SO, the rich guy gets richer, sure he's taxed on the revenue he makes but he just saved himself and the company so much more that he gets a bonus. Meanwhile this scumbag who truly has no patriotism in his body pays a charismatic guy like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity enough to convince the little goose stepping Eddies that the rich man creating all these problems pays too much in taxes and oh by the way, you are in his class, (ha ha ha), and the little Eddies sit and bitch about taxes and how it is costing jobs and how unfair we are to these companies and the rich. All these guys have to do is bring jobs back, rebuild a tax base and in 5 years they won't be bitching about paying "an unfair burden of taxes".

Plus, the US puts pressure on the UN to examine more closely labor laws, any company caught using child labor or sweatshops, not only gets fined but can no longer do business in the US. NO IFS, NO ANDS, NO BUTS, period end of story. AND if say the Cambodian government knew about it, then they get fined and the government officials who allowed it to happen because Nike or Spalding paid them to look the other way get fined and charged with crimes against humanity.

You want to play extreme, lets play extreme and see who wins. In the end it's the government, they just need a fucking backbone and to stop suckling the corporations dicks and telling the populace that they are working hard for the people.

THAT'S how you do it. you get government to hit the corporations harder in their wallets for their unfair labor and business practices. If you want to say that sounds unAmerican and too radical, well, if you want this country around for your grandkids then government is going to have to get radical and punish the companies that started all this and have kept it going. Because they are selling this country out and CREATING the government and national financial problems. Plain and simple.

Keep goose stepping to the corporate drum, they are your friends, they are loyal to this country, they ARE the patriots that love this country, THEY are the ones that care about you, about keeping this country free and yet, this country needs the tax money from the factories and workers they employ here to fight a war, as they close factories and fire thousands of taxpayers (putting them on government programs) and cry about those social programs costing too much.

 

Well socialism is what all these OWS folks want. And they'll probably get it...but not without a fight from me and other freedom loving patriots.

 

Eddie, can you please tone down the flaming and the trolling?

 

You would have a hard time living out of your old car for $400/month. Maybe a sailboat down in Florida would be possible.

We already have socialism in America for corporations and politicians. OWS wants good socialism that works for everyone.

 

If this economy gets much worse, $400 might be looking pretty good. $400 is enough to buy food and rent a room, even in America.