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Politics Obama - Actually doing a good job?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC

    Well, it depends on the state...and the topic.
    But I do know that the Obama administration has tried to reorganize and eliminate depts...but Congress has stopped them.
    So if you want to blame anyone, blame Congress.
    Same goes for cutting military...

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    My question is this.

    Are the issues that Obama and his administration having their own doing,
    or due to the incessant opposition and negativity from the GOP?
    or both??

    - Foreign Affairs
    - Domestic Agenda
    - Budgeting
    and so on...

    I don't know if the GOP will win in the long run...but like guerrillas, they are causing much havoc and damage in a war of attrition.
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Hyperbole is the rule of the day.

    Katrina is a cliche. - Link

    Besides, Obama already truly had his "Katrina" with the NY/NJ hurricane...did pretty well with it...and it seemed to help him win an election.

    So does this mean the media is tabloid-que...or just un-original???

    Frankly, I find they always get into "old tred" mode at this time of the year.
    Wait until after Xmas...they'll be rested from the holiday pablum...and have new things to chew on by mid-January.

    I know Obama definitely needs a holiday. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    When Sandy hit NY/NJ it was not a hurricane, Katrina hit as a cat 3 even at second landfall.
    1,800 deaths Katrina compared to 200 for Sandy.
    1.2 million housing units destroyed/severely damaged Katrina compared to about 300,000 for Sandy.
    Insured losses about $50b Katrina compared to about $20 for Sandy (with no adjustment for higher costs in NY/NJ).
    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    You are correct about hyperbole.
     
  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yes, but it is not the crisis...that is the issue.
    It is the reaction...and the action after the fact.

    If there is a crisis...if there is a mistake.
    Do you own up to it?

    That's where real integrity is...not that you're perfect.
    But you acknowledge the issue, then go to correct it.

    The problem with the Bush administration...is they ignored the problem. Or looked over it.
    Whether it was Katrina. Iraq. Medicare D. the Economic meltdown...etc.

    Yes, Obama isn't perfect. NOT AT ALL.
    But he does have some humility to acknowledge a mistake...even friggin' flip-flop on a campaign note. (OMG...there's a FLIP-FLOP!!! Gotcha!)
    So let's see if he can correct this.
    Let's see if this can gain momentum.

    And fortunately, for him...he's got great opponents who tend to stick their foot in their mouths...and not have alternative VIABLE solutions.
    So it makes him look good by default...sooner or later.
    As the conservative pundit on the Sunday shows today said...He just has to make it to January, when the budget comes up again. (and other items)

    Problem is this.
    You're looking for issues.
    I'm not excusing his.

    He's human. His staff are humans.
    They are dealing with the most difficult things in the world. If it were easy, it wouldn't be on their desk.
    It would be solved earlier. The buck stops there.
    They WILL fuck up.

    But the key is...one - are they attempting to think about the consequences? two - if they don't see it, do they act after the fact?
    Because they may be oblivious at first...all upper mgmt is, in one way or another. They are not on the ground, in the trenches.
    Or are they arrogant, denying that they may be culpable...and not reacting to correct a situation??

    That's how I judge presidencies.
    And that's how you avoid "Katrinas"
     
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  5. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    The words of denial: "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."
     
  6. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I prefer honesty. Photo ops do not impress me. Katrina and the response was not a Bush mistake. Far too many people suffered and died because local officials failed to move people out of harms way.

    Do you mean the type of integrity where a leaders looks a human being in the eye in a time of crisis and say he will personally follow up on something and does not? A year after Sandy, there is still large sums of money available but not distributed to those who need it. Did you see any of the one year anniversary reports on Sandy? Does it make you proud? what did we really learn from Katrina? Is the lesson, that all we need are pictures of Obama and Christy holding hands while walking on the beach? Style wins?

    What did you want the President to do...send in the national guard prior to the storm and force people to leave??? All the buses shown in the famous photo, did you want him to drive the buses? The empty FEMA trailers, they were available for use. Many attribute responsibilities of local officials with responsibilities of the President.
     
  7. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The biggest issue with FEMA under Bush was the appointment of political cronies rather than emergency response professions at the top and slashing the budget (along with the budget for the Army Corps of Engineers) and downgrading the agency mission away from preparedness/response/recovery) to only response/recovery....all in the name of "smaller government"

    And this is how smaller government impacted the people of Louisiana (and the Gulf Coast)
    But that is all water under the bridge (or over the levees) now.
     
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Pretty much sums it up... (found on Fark)
    *sigh*

    Can't we just get back to work?
    Can't the media focus on the work?
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Is it me...or does there seem to be a disconnect,
    between media tone and what is said or portrayed....and the massive variety of polls that are out there??? :confused:

    As if the media/pundits/politicians are saying one thing...trying to get leverage for their agenda and side.
    And the citizens want their cake and to eat it too...and are flakier than hell.

    Ex. Keep government out of my medicare.
    Or saying that you "disapprove" of how Obama is doing....but then turn around and say he's the most admired. (by comparison??? to who, lower scum?)
    It's like saying you don't like Praying Mantises...they're disgusting...but they're much better than scorpions and slugs.

    Friggin' public is worse than a wishy-washy ditz.

    Then again, some are admiring Sarah Palin. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    That "most admired" poll is a venerable piece of bullshit -- a "fill in the blank" poll. The results are almost purely a function of how famous and visible people are.

    The incumbent president, no matter who, usually gets the #1 spot, by getting something like 12% or 15% of the vote. There is a huge long tail of thousands of public figures and celebrities who get fractions of 1%.
     
  11. Indigo Kid

    Indigo Kid Getting Tilted

    Time will tell. I'm glad he never escalated any of the Wars.
    And God Bless Him. We have had much worst before President Obama.
     
  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    With the polls, I doubt that Obama (or any Democrat) would ever get above a 60% approval rating, even if he cured cancer and discovered cold fusion.
     
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  13. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Well, yeah. Cold fusion would destroy the oil companies; and a cure for cancer would be deadly for the hospice care and funeral planning sectors. The job losses would be huge.

    When you're president, it's better to leave the science to the scientists, and let them take the blame for whatever advances they come up with.
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Aww...man, I was hoping Obama would create cold fusion.
    He said he was on the path when I managed his WH wiki.
    (**only one of these parts are true... ;) )
     
  15. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    With the polls, I doubt that Obama Bush (or any Democrat Republican) would ever get above a 60% approval rating, even if he cured cancer and discovered cold fusion.:D

    With the polls, I doubt that fill in president's name here (or any fill in party here) would ever get above a 60% approval rating, even if he cured cancer and discovered cold fusion.:D
     
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  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Bush's approval rating was above 60% in the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq (down from 90% immediately after 9/11)

    Moral of the story? It is better to lie to the American people about a non existent imminent threat from a foreign country than about losing your health plan.
     
  17. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

     
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Here's a good summary for what I foresee for 2014
    What do you think??

    It's amazing what gets lost in the typical pundits' perspectives and guesswork.
    Rarely do they take in all the factors.

    Question is, will this translate over to his allies and the 2014 elections???

     
  19. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    If I was President there is no way I would be on vacation during the first few weeks, even months of the roll-out of the ACA. I would not even let members of my administration take vacation. And I certainly would not be on a golf course. The President should be directing the action until the ACA gets nearly perfect, not to mention his other priorities. He should be meeting with citizens, doctors, hospitals, drug companies, insurance companies, state officials getting a first hand account of what the issues are and directing resources to address the problems. He should lead. President Obama has too frequently used the excuse that he was not aware - a very lame excuse - lack of leadership.

    Has he checked out?
    Doesn't he have someone on his staff with the courage to tell him how bad the optics are that he is on vacation doing golf photo ops?

    He is only going to be President for 8 years - it is a 24/7 job and should have his 100% focus. His wife and family need to understand this - the Holidays at the WH wouldn't be that bad anyway - they will have plenty of time starting in 2017.
     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Bush spent over 1,000 days on vacation...nearly 1/3 of his presidency.

    Much if it during the Iraq War when US servicemen and women were dying every day. Should he have stayed in the White House and personally directed the war every day.

    Or maybe Obama can just stand in front of a hospital and say "Mission Accomplished" now that the ACA is in effect.
     
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