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Politics Obama - Actually doing a good job?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Nearly three fourths of Republican senators signed on to a bill this week to effectively prohibit Congress from enacting any law that they consider unconstitutional, relying on a strict (and discredited by the Supreme Court) interpretation of "enumerated powers" in the Constitution, regardless of Supreme Court's precedents or previous interpretations of such power, the commerce clause, etc.

    Dr. Coburn and Senator Paul Introduce Legislation to Restore Constitutional Limitations on Congressional Power - Press Releases - Tom Coburn, M.D., United States Senator from Oklahoma

    Either their way and their interpretation of the Constitution or the highway and screw the Supreme Court and the separation of powers.

    And some think you can compromise with these guys?
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    It's like my grandfather used to say, you can't let the assholes win... :mad:
    --- merged: Aug 2, 2013 at 9:28 PM ---
    Have y'all noticed that you never hear of Obama vetoing anything???

    There's a reason for that...or at least stats on it.
    Just strange considering the opposing party holds the House

    President/ Vetoes/ Days/ Days Per Veto
    Barack Obama 2 870 435.0
    George W. Bush 12 2,922 243.5
    Warren G. Harding 6 881 146.8
    Chester A. Arthur 12 1,262 105.2
    Bill Clinton 37 2,922 79.0
    Woodrow Wilson 44 2,922 66.4
    Lyndon B. Johnson 30 1,886 62.9

    Interesting...link to article

    Just TWO...
     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Obama has the advantage while Congress is on its break.
    There's no one on the Hill to either undermine his wins or scream about his negatives.
    And there have been quite a few positive trends going his way of late...

    • Million-Dollar Home Sales Jump In U.S. as Wealthy Return
    • U.S. Serious Mortgage Delinquencies Fell in 2Q to Five-Year Low
    • Consumer Comfort in U.S. Rises to Five-Year High on Economy View
    • U.S. Jobless Claims Fall Over Month to Lowest Since 2007

    I wonder if Obama will gain some momentum from this??
    I'm sure one current bonus is that he's ready to be rid of Darrell Issa, who's term is up soon. (of course, they could always extend it...)
     
  4. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    There is a bunch of stuff in here regarding housing, but I'm intrigued by the end of the post that mentions government spending:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/what-janet-yellen-and-everyone-else-got-wrong/

    In other words, Obama was perhaps too conservative fiscally speaking, and specifically compared to the Bush years.

    But despite this, perhaps the economy will still go back on track. While Obama is far from a great president (as are most), it's going to become increasingly difficult to say he has failed when it comes to the economy. Where Clinton successfully managed a boom; Obama seems to have the Great Recession in hand despite unprecedented opposition from the Republicans, who would rather see the country burn under Obama than work with him.

    It's odd. If Americans want good stewards of the economy, it seems that Democrats provide the best options. It's been like that with Canadian Liberals in recent decades as well.

    Cries of socialism and Big Government are blown way out of proportion. The problems lie elsewhere.
     
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  5. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Another perspective.

    [​IMG]

    US Government Spending As Percent Of GDP - Charts Tables History

    Or.

    [​IMG]

    During a recession, from a Keynesian point of view, we would expect a short term increase in government spending as a percent of GDP and then we would expect government spending as a percent of GDP to decline (reverting back to normal) as the overall economy improves. This is what we have seen. But what we are also seeing is a longer term trend of government spending being a larger and larger portion of the economy. As this occurs we will see a diminishing impact of short-term increases in government spending.

    A comparison to the Bush years is not important, in the context of the 2008/09 recession.

    Perhaps, we can say that a larger spike in government spending in 2008/09 would have resulted in more economic growth. If that is all we look at, we do have a period under Bush to compare too, which is 2000-2002.

    [​IMG]

    With an economic recovery period that was much stronger than what we have today. Clearly there are some other factors in play with our current slow growth.

    PS- anyone looking at wealth disparity under President Obama? The silence is deafening, considering what we were hearing when Bush was President! Or, is this President powerless, it is not his fault? Must be nice having apologists.

    (added) for those not inclined to look - during 2009-10 the top 1% got 93% of the economic growth. Putting it in perspective, assuming you agree that government spending stimulated economic growth, the increase in government spending went to the rich to the tune of $.93 of every dollar. Let's have some more of that, please - says Ace in a purely cynical tone!

    Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush

    There are many other sources reporting the same info, and info including 2011 that I have seen.
     
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  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    What more should Obama do to address the income inequality.....beyond the two middle class tax cuts previously enacted and maintaining the Bush middle class tax rates... or the numerous small business tax cuts enacted... all while still trying to keep the debt from ballooning?

    How about an infrastructure investment program, solving two problems at once -- creating hundreds of thousands of jobs and repairing deteriorating roads, bridges, ports, etc? Nope......Republicans wont go for that.

    How about raising the minimum wage. Numerous studies refute the argument that it would hurt small businesses. Nope....Republicans wont go for that.

    I know....lower the tax rate on the top 1% and it will trickle down! By George, I think I got it!
     
  7. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    standing down from the idiot "war on terror" and dismantling the national-security state--which was not envisioned as permanent to begin with---is an obvious and important step toward enabling more rational allocations of resources.

    but the chances of the obama administration doing more than making vague gestures in that direction in speeches nicely delivered but immediately forgotten is about nil.

    witness the ongoing, dispiriting farce that the snowden leaks have engendered.
     
  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I forgot the other part of the equation to addresses income inequality.......take a chain saw to the social programs that primarily benefit the working poor with the mantra of "small government grows the economy."
     
  9. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    all the while keeping off the table the conservative patronage systems of the carceral industries, the surveillance state and the military.
    you know, the instruments of american class warfare.
     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I don't know what to say besides "that's not how economies work, Ace." I don't know how to respond to this, so all I'll say, perhaps, is rather than focus on false assumptions, maybe focus on what redux posted. It's something that maybe we can discuss.
     
  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    *Sigh*...it's going to be a long 4 years...


    And vets thought trudging through the muck of Vietnam was a haul. :rolleyes:
     
  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    No hits in the section...
    Now, if only Washington and the Media could get this tired talking about politics... :p
     
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  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    It is the August recess when members of Congress are supposed to be back home meeting with constituents.

    But...
    Would you want to explain to your constituents why you are part of the worst and least productive Congress in history?

    Or face a raging horde of Tea Party activists screaming about "Obama's death panels" and "shut down the government."

    Or a gaggle of liberals and libertarians screaming "stop spying on us."
     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    I love it...Obama Derangement Syndrome

    Watch the wheel folks...because where it stops, nobody knows. :rolleyes:

     
  15. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Rich getting richer.

    We are past the peak numbers for foreclosures, but new mortgage activity is trending down. Interest rates are going up. Fewer people will meet affordability standards. Not a good combination for the future.

    What about actual spending?

    [​IMG][​IMG]


    U.S. Self-Reported Spending Flat Since May

    As the percent of total employment, part-time work remains at recession highs. We should be seeing a healthy decline by now.

    Federal Reserve Bank San Francisco | What’s Behind the Increase in Part-Time Work?




    Our economy is under-performing. Favorable individual data points does not show the full picture.
     
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  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    When you think about it, all economies are underperforming. It just so happens that the American economy is having one of the best underperformances in the world, especially among developed economies.
     
  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Actually, you are correct.
    So the question is this...what has changed globally??

    Is corporate management just adverse to hiring anyone as much anymore?
    Has the tech capabilities replaced the people they used to employ?? (unskilled labor is what's hurting...there's actually a shortage of skilled labor)
    Are companies more risk adverse?? ...they don't seem to be putting out as many products in R&D.
    Are they just using less people with more productivity and cross-roles??
    Is the fact that consumers aren't buying as much...or credit isn't as free??
    All of the above??

    Obama...or ANY president or leader...can't be miracle workers.
    What's the solution...if any...other than patience.

    Sometimes leaders are just someone to yell at or blame...if you can't point out or get what's truly affecting the issue.
    Especially if they are in the opposing party.
     
  18. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Global petroleum use hits record high, thanks to boom in Asia

    This probably has something to do with it... Money that would be circulating in the local economy now goes off to some corporate office in a 2% tax haven Caribbean island and a little to the workers in some far off place where they drill and pollute the landscape.
     
  19. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    The US needs to lead global economic growth. Under performance in the rest of the world is no excuse.


    US Economy | Economy Watch
    --- merged: Aug 30, 2013 4:08 PM ---
    Entrepreneurship, or new business creation and growth. Our regulatory environment is stifling small business.

    Uncertainty is a cloud over new hiring. For example Obamacare is causing some companies to cap hiring activity and in some other cases restrict hourly employees to part-time status. These kinds of issues are real and are having a real impact but are being ignored in Washington.

    The pattern has always been the same. Technology leads to productivity gains. This leads to shifts in employment, in some cases the demand for more technical jobs is not being met because people do not and are not getting the skills required to fill these jobs - education system not responding to changing needs.

    Productivity gains can lead to increased wages and increased living standards - however when competition is absent corporate profitability increases, which is what we see today. For example in the banking industry, yes after the financial crisis, banks are bigger, fewer and making record profits as they reduce their workforces and limit lending activity (hurting small business activity). Why? Because regulations have restricted competition, we have fewer bank now and banks are profiting from basically free money that they can then lend to the government to make a risk free profit. Not to mention their ability to enact excessive fees. It is ridiculous that a working poor person with a low bank balance may incur fee as a percent of the balance of 50% or more each month. So much for Washington looking out for the little guy. I need to stop venting...
     
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  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    There has not been one study that supports this assertion.

    Beyond that, you are misrepresenting the issue regarding the restricting hourly employees to part-time status. When the government counts “full-time employees” it doesn’t just count heads, it counts hours. The law says that the firm must offer insurance if it has 50 full-time “or full-time equivalent employees”so cutting individual hours below 30 hours/week is offset and simply hiring more part-time employees wont get a small business out of the mandate.


    Not only does the Affordable Care Act invest heavily in health-related technology and thus increased productivity, it also stimulates competition through the Insurance Exchanges, particularly in the many states where the 3-4 largest insurers controlled 80%+ of the market.
    .
     
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