Politics Obama - Actually doing a good job?

I prefer people to outline what they're saying coherently. I'd prefer not to make conjectures. This is another way in which we differ.

What does dropping the chart say? There are a lot of religious people? We both already knew that. I have nothing against people being religious so long as it doesn't harm anybody. I do have a problem with religious people infringing on secular society in logically baseless ways. I've implied that religion is more pervasive in the U.S. compared to Canada in this regard. This is perhaps why we have differing view on these issues.

What's your point? That Judaism and Christianity should be infused in the legal system? Again, do you support theocratic elements in governance?

(You seem to be grasping at straws here. Please instead take a firm stand something.)

If you consider my view suspect and not defensible, then I sincerely doubt you even understand my view. For the record, will you please state what you believe my view to be?

Also, you obviously have little understanding of Canadian culture and values if you honestly believe Canadians aren't much different from Americans.

Your words resemble little beyond the bold, unsubstantiated claims of an immutable idealogue.

 

Ace, it's not me; it's you.

You're not asking me to connect dots; you're asking me to leap over chasms.

The fact that you continue to ignore the content of my posts suggests you're not interested in sharing your views on a level that can be scrutinized.

If you don't want to expose yourself that way, I understand. Just don't play games with me. K thanks.

 

In the end, it is the responsibility of those involved to respect the rules and principles established.
Separation of church and state is written into our Constitution, unfortunately there are those placed in power which ignore that to their convenience.

I believe Obama for the most part is getting done what he has direct control of.
Gitmo is an example of not being able to move forward, because of being put between a rock & a hard place.
Both Dem & GOP reps are not wanting to allow transfer of the inmates anywhere reasonable in the US...and other countries don't want them. So where do you put them???

Budget is just a suggestion, the House is in charge of that (constitutionally)
Where he can cut, he is...reorg'ing where possible.
One the government cannot turn on a dime...and two, the Congress has to give permission for more...and they aren't too cooperative.

From what I've seen...the intent is there...as well as the willingness.
I don't know if his communications, timing or tactics have been the best...that's where his administration has tripped up.
He's not a shmoozer like LBJ or Clinton...or a leader that inspires political action like Reagan. (inspiring speeches, yes...inspiring Congress to get off their ass, no)

He's like an analyst, logistics planning and execution...but not someone who puts the burner on the representatives.

But in the end, Congress has their own responsibility, you can't "lead" them ...they've got their own friggin' agenda. So I put much on their plates...and they haven't cleaned them yet.
There's nothing a prez can do, if they don't feel cooperative...I haven't really seen one yet, who can get them to budge, unless they are covering their own asses.

As far as I'm concerned, I only hold the President responsible for what they have direct control of. (no matter what their party)
And what they are allowed to do once they've been given permission and appropriate resources.
I'm not naive to think you can do anything if the Congress disallows it or doesn't allocate for it...unless you've got a legal workaround.

In the end, the President is like a taxi-cab driver being given instructions by a bunch of contradictory clients all in the same car at once.
They need to tell him where to go in general...and pay for the ride.

 

While Obama is one of the best singular speakers around...he's not the best at communications.
Meaning, when bringing out a program, his administration is poor at explaining it or promoting it.
And he and his administration is not good at interacting with those in Congress.

Now, I'll give him & them the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent because of the toxic nature of Congress and its members.
Once bitten, twice shy.

But still, this is why we put them up there...to keep up the fight despite it all.
Don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Still, I'll put a lot of the onus on Congress on getting things done and through.
It is like herding cats...

 

Now, frankly I don't blame Obama himself for these things,
from being inside the federal government in various departments even to the Executive Office,
I've seen how the multitudes of life-time bureaucrats can go off-kilter.

Often the political appointee heads have no idea what really going on. (No matter what party or person is in power)
Those in long-term positions below them can get biased or "over-enthusiastic"

Congress allocates in lump-sums...and both the President & Congress setting mostly general policy...
The rest is left up to the bureaucrats in details and discretion...with those biases applied in execution and distribution.

And of course, the opposition party always uses these moments to blame those "in control".
This has happened all before...to GWB, Clinton, HWB, Reagan, Carter and so on...

So IMHO, the question is not if the President or heads are "at fault"...but what their reaction to it.
Obama needs to tap and react to this fast...otherwise, he's going to lose whatever momentum or leverage he has. (if it ever existed...)

 

Well, frankly it's difficult to tell whether the response speed is slow or not...people tend to be impatient in politics. (if anything else. )

But the administration does have to get on top of it because it is distracting and losing the momentum on other items. The ballyhoo is deafening.

I find that most previous administrations typically tend to repress initially rather than investigate, address and resolve. (or even prevent future issues...)
So I agree with what the official said below,
“Dealing with one frustrating week when you are hemmed in by circumstances is far superior than doing something stupid or illegal that will extend the crisis for weeks, months or years,”

I don't expect the administration to be omniscient, although in an ideal world it would be preferable not to allow it to happen, this is not realistic.
It's how they react to the matter...and how fast.

I know realistically, the Federal Government cannot turn on a dime, it's more like a huge aircraft carrier.
So it's making yourself aware, then taking steps.

I'll be satisfied if it is addressed, not repressed as most management often does. (govt or otherwise)

 

And to re-enforce my point from the GOP thread...
STFU, get back to work.

It's almost like they are all a bunch of yappin' greyhounds in a race chasing a mechanical rabbit (Obama) without thought.
It's sad.