Politics Obama - Actually doing a good job?

Are you suggesting Obama is weak and gutless? If so, why would another world leader respect him?

 

In his second inaugural address, Reagan said "We seek the elimination one day of nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth." This was after he initiated the START I treaty process in his first term.

Was that a sign of weakness? Today's more extremist Republican party very likely would have blasted him as weak on defense and caving into the Russians!

Or did the signing of the new START treaty by Obama last year (after broad by-partisan ratification in the Senate) mean he was gutless and will not be respected by world leaders?

Suggesting flexibility in discussions on missile defense cooperation as a next phase in the future is hardly "selling out our missile defense" as Gingrich suggested, along with most of the right wing talking heads and bloggers.

It was election year political and diplomatic speak but the far right will have a field day with it.

My advice, don't get your panties in a knot, Ace.

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But Obama has plans to "destroy" gun rights and "erase" the Second Amendment in his second term.

 

No. I don't speak in whispers. Anything I say, I am willing to say in a loud voice to who ever cares to listen. I expect the same of our national leaders.

I find it strange - some give Obama a pass on this for "political reasons" and would implicitly give him a pass on his real religious convictions based on "political reasons". I will never find these things acceptable.
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I think most here know that I don't and have never trusted Obama since he stepped on the national stage - I described him as a "snake oil salesmen" and still do - so my question was not about my "panties" - I am more interested in the views of others.
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Are you making an argument that a President's first term has more elements of "lame duck" than his second?

I always felt that the first 2 years was a new President's greatest opportunity to get things done. Followed by the first 2 years of a second term if he gets one. I think other world leaders know how easily US Presidential stances can be reversed by a newly elected President - especially second term Presidents.

 

Views of others?

A majority of Americans believe that world leaders respect Obama....certainly much more so than Bush (with the exception of the immediate 9/11 aftermath)




Most of the rest of the world approve of Obama's leadership. Again, much more so than Bush, when that world view was at its lowest.



Reversing Bush “cowboy” diplomacy in a manner that many Americans, people of other countries and word leaders appreciate is a good for this country.

When you attempt to make something out of nothing or suggest that this innocuous comment makes him weak or gutless, you just come off just as another right wing extremist and not really interested in a reasonable or rational discussion.

 

Yes.

I think Obama is gutless. I have stated that many times over the past 3 years.
I think Obama is weak. I have stated that many times over the years, and lately emphasized is inability to build consensus to accomplish his goals.
I think Obama lacks conviction. I have stated that many times.
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Here is a clue - anything I write about Obama, anything I share with others regarding Obama is going to come from a space involving the personal views I hold and that I repeatedly share regarding Obama.

You can tell me your views, and share data like the data you shared and we move on. No big deal. But you want to say I am not interested in reasonable or rational discussion - perhaps suggesting that my views are neither reasonable or rational. Oh, but if one looks at the trends in the charts you provided....

 

Ace....when you apply your unwavering thinking about Obama to even the most innocuous statement, it is hard to take your seriously. It is like trying to converse with an Acebot. Just my opinion.

But maybe you can explain why you think the sound byte would lead other world leaders to perceive Obama as weak and gutless as opposed to being just another overreaction on your part.

And if you look at the trends in the charts, opinions of Obama are still significantly higher than Bush.

 

In any case, this "offense" by Obama has already been replaced by a new outrage on the sensibilities of the right.



Outrage Growing Over "Hanoi Jane" Being Cast as Nancy Reagan

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Obama is most definitely what I would consider a centrist at this time. How he reacts to another term is up in the air, he could stay his course or become ultra liberal and load the USSC with liberals. I think he is more likely to stay tyhe course he is on, rather than go to the extreme the GOP tries to scare people with.

 

Here is my opinion. When you take the position of arbiter of what is reasonable or rational it comes across as pompous.

If you read the post prior to mine, you would have the context. Depending on how a person interprets what Obama said, it can easily indicate he lacks the ability to make his case to the American people and is unable to build consensus, indicating weakness. Using deception to accomplish a goal indicates gutlessness. For example, if your buddies said - hey, DC let's have a guy's night out.... and you said in a whisper, I will have more flexibility after my lady goes out of town to visit her mother...most guys would consider that weak and gutless. Why not just let your lady know what you are going to do, if it is honest she would understand.

True. But, I don't think Bush cared about what your charts show, do you think Obama does? If so, why would he care? what would he be willing to do to improve the numbers?
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If that is his style, and you are comfortable with that, I can understand. And I hear you saying that you are comfortable with his need to handle diplomacy in the manner illustrated in this event. If you ask me, I simply say, I am not comfortable with it. It breeds distrust in my opinion. I can not follow a person I do not trust. If I am just one who feels this way, it is certainly not a big deal or anything Obama needs to be concerned about. However, if Obama and others want to understand why people like me don't trust what he says and does, it may be worth exploring.

There is another thread with a discussion involving evangelicals that lead to a discussion regarding a modern politicians ability to get elected if he/she did not pay homage, fake or real, to the religious base in the US.

 

Really ace? Another analogy? And one that has no relevance to political leaders exchanging a few friendly words and having it picked up by a mic.