Multi-level Marketing

Stan · May 12, 2015

cynthetiq said: ↑

That's my point of stating the IT groups, to stay current or into new knowledge or techniques it's in the best interest of the individual to stay marketable. That's not very many people within the job market. It is heavy in the 20s, less in the 30s, and gets less in the 40s and I'm still looking for people in their 50s.
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<-- 59, network engineer, working on "learn as you go" technology.

Some of us have an incredibly low threshold for boredom.

Chris Noyb · May 19, 2015

cynthetiq said: ↑

Sure you can avoid such things, but for some reasons the top performing MLM companies are still thriving and succeeding. They survive DOJ and IRS probes. Why? The top 10 produce revenue as much as $11.3 billion.
2013 top 10 MLM revenue

Rank Company Annual Sales (net) Country Category Sales Associates Markets Year Founded
1 Avon Products, Inc.

AVON | Shop Avon Beauty Products

AVP—NYSE $11.3 billion USA Beauty, fashion jewelry, apparel 6.5 million 100 1886
2 Amway

Amway Official Site: Start Your Own Business Today | Amway

$10.9 billion USA Cosmetics, personal care, food and beverage, home care, wellness 3 million 80 1959
3 Herbalife Ltd.

Herbalife - United States - Official Site

HLF—NYSE $3.5 billion USA Cosmetics and personal care 2.7 million 79 1980
4 Natura Cosmeticos SA

http://www.natura.net

NATU3.SA—São Paolo $3.0 billion Brazil Cosmetics and personal care 1.4 million 7 1969
5 Vorwerk & Co. KG

Vorwerk $3.0 billion Germany Cosmetics, household appliances, home care 600,000 76 1883
6 Mary Kay Inc.

Mary Kay | Official Site

$2.9 billion USA Cosmetics and personal care 2.4 million 35 1963
7 Tupperware Brands Corp.

Tupperware

TUP—NYSE $2.6 billion USA Storage and serving products; beauty, personal care 2.6 million 100 1946
8 Oriflame Cosmetics SA

Oriflame Sweden

ORI-SDB.ST—Stockholm
$2.1 billion Luxembourg Beauty 3.6 million 67 1967
9 Nu Skin Enterprises, Inc.

www.nuskin.com

NUS—NYSE

$1.7 billion USA Cosmetics and personal care 855,000 52 1984
10 Belcorp

www.belcorp.biz
$1.6 billion

Peru

Cosmetics and personal care

938,000

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1968

Forbes article states this well:
Would You Join A Multi-Level Marketing Company For Retirement Income?
"Daria M. Brezinski Ph.D, a practicing psychologist and former marketing director for a multi-level marketing magazine, echoes these sentiments. “Many people don’t realize that multi-level marketing companies are successful because they help people satisfy a number of important human needs, including feeling significant, having connections, learning something new, and making a difference. I have heard people in network marketing say again and again, ‘I’m doing this because I’m meeting amazing people … making so many connections … and I feel so good about myself.’”

Dr. Brezinski’s point is well taken and easy to see practiced by popular network marketing companies. Many MLM and NM companies tout a three-to-five year plan to attain freedom and wealth, yet many of the people running company meetings have been in the business for five or ten years and still haven’t left their full-time job or landed on easy street. “As it turns out,” Dr. Brezinski notes, “when other human needs are being met, the members and consultants don’t focus solely on the financial aspects.”

Continuing my interviews, I challenged three others who are in the business to be straightforward, and prove to me that the process really works. What I found was good, consistent business advice applicable to any new business."
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That's my point of stating the IT groups, to stay current or into new knowledge or techniques it's in the best interest of the individual to stay marketable. That's not very many people within the job market. It is heavy in the 20s, less in the 30s, and gets less in the 40s and I'm still looking for people in their 50s.

Like I stated most are CEU based because it's mandated, many won't bother if it wasn't. I'd like to believe that many if not most people will continue to learn but that's not true nor is there evidence to back up the ideas that they do.
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Very impressive numbers on that MLM list. But I wonder how much of those profits the newest recruits actually see?

MLM is not for everyone. Sales in general is not for everyone. Recruiting new sales reps isn't for everyone.

cynthetiq · May 13, 2015

Chris Noyb said: ↑

Very impressive numbers on that MLM list. But I wonder how much of those profits the newest recruits actually see?

MLM is not for everyone. Sales in general is not for everyone. Recruiting new sales reps isn't for everyone.
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Starting your own business is not for everyone. Most people romanticize the idea but don't realize the hard work that is involved. Many think they just set out the shingle and people walk up with bags of money and hand it over.

MLM isn't much different than franchising, both are very lucrative business models that have proven track records of success. Many if not most businesses fail.

I don't have to wonder how much of those profits are seen by new recruits. Why would the newest recruits see a lot of those profits? They have put in the least amount of work.

Chris Noyb · May 13, 2015

cynthetiq said: ↑

Starting your own business is not for everyone. Most people romanticize the idea but don't realize the hard work that is involved. Many think they just set out the shingle and people walk up with bags of money and hand it over.

MLM isn't much different than franchising, both are very lucrative business models that have proven track records of success. Many if not most businesses fail.

I don't have to wonder how much of those profits are seen by new recruits. Why would the newest recruits see a lot of those profits? They have put in the least amount of work.
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I see a big difference between busting your ass to build a business where you sell a product or service to customers, and busting your ass to recruit people to work under you to recruit people to work under them to recruit people to work under them.

cynthetiq · May 20, 2015

Chris Noyb said: ↑

I see a big difference between busting your ass to build a business where you sell a product or service to customers, and busting your ass to recruit people to work under you to recruit people to work under them to recruit people to work under them.
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and that's where you are missing the idea. Not everyone cares about that recruiting people. Did you read the Forbes article? Many are satisfied with just a simple business that gets them out and networking with other people.
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here's the best part about this, it's just another avenue. It's not right for everyone, just like doing the corporate rat race work, stock market investor, real estate investor, etc. etc. etc. It is just another way that a few people have found success in whatever their definition is of that.

Shadowex3 · May 13, 2015

cynthetiq said: ↑

2 cents in your briefs... damn son, you're hardcore, 50 cent got nothin' on your 2 cent P. I. M. P.

I've done 2 stints with Amway. Each time wasn't for access to product but for access to people on how to effectively network and build businesses. The tuition for learning this stuff meant going to rallies and events, weekly locally and monthly regionally, and quarterly/yearly nationally. Weekly events were held in a home or when that became too small in a hotel. Monthly events were either in a large public hall, school, or church. The monthly and quarterly events were large money generation machines. This fascinated me more than anything and that's where I understood the majority of the money being generated was earned. I didn't want to earn money that way because I felt it was duplicitous to how the MLM payouts worked.

I already knew lots about business, I didn't know how to network well or even effectively but the group did teach me how to connect with people. The girlfriend I had at the second stint, went on to start her own company that makes a good amount of money doing IT service. She still does some MLM on the side, I think recently Pampered Chef.

I'd do MLM again in a heartbeat so long as the cost of entry is low. I'd do it again because the network opportunity is bigger today than it was prior and I'd be interested to see if the new methods of communication have caused the MLM model to adjust.
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Amyway's basically a pyramid scheme that managed to successfully copy recruiting and retention techniques from cults, as well demonstrated whenever someone's programming takes over and they start quoting dogma... or when they go into full "burn the heretic" mode when the cult is challenged.

Chris Noyb · May 21, 2015

cynthetiq said: ↑

and that's where you are missing the idea. Not everyone cares about that recruiting people. Did you read the Forbes article? Many are satisfied with just a simple business that gets them out and networking with other people.
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here's the best part about this, it's just another avenue. It's not right for everyone, just like doing the corporate rat race work, stock market investor, real estate investor, etc. etc. etc. It is just another way that a few people have found success in whatever their definition is of that.
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"It's not right for everyone...." That sounds very familiar.

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