#MeToo

She apologized and he accepted it.
They were both kids at the time.
I would expect she has grown up and grown past that awful behavior (one would fucking hope so).
I don't think it is a bye so much as a 'let's not ever hear of you doing that again'.

Speaking of consent, I'm sure most folks have seen this but I think it does a good job of breaking the idea down to its most basic parts.

 

I would say that if you have asked someone to stop touching you (even if they are 'just' open hand pats) and they keep doing it, then that brings it up to the level of assault.
You've been nice, now you get to break something.
Kind of like with the ladies in the club.
You get one warning from the lady, one from the bouncer, then you are 86ed.

 

I think the term assault is being watered down too much.

I grab your tits. Assault.

I keep patting your shoulder. Annoying.

 

I wouldn't want to say this in real life, but I feel that the sexual revolution in the 60's-2000's is also to blame. Women wanted to be able to sleep with whoever they felt like and would rather compete with other females over the top 20% of guys than to settle for a lifetime monogamous relationship with a boring average guy in their teens. And the feminist movement didn't go after the male definition of being successful by sleeping with the hottest and most women as possible. They rewarded the strong, aggressive, confident bully type who would be the leader with more sex. Then the whole idea of Playboy magazine was to convince the millions of guys that these women were obtainable and you could get multiple ones each month. Throw in that sex sells and women (and men) are making lots of money off of it, and before a month ago the vast majority of people got away with it without consequence. I can understand why certain rapes and assaults happen with passed out women or wasted ones, and why guys in powerful positions would use it to demand sexual favors.

Why the religious right didn't go after this and use this argument for the birth control issues and divorce ones, I have no idea. I have a feeling that the divorce rate is up there because a lot of people are able to cheat or get a new partner much more easily now. But, that is a whole other topic.

 

I think this perhaps is the real core of the issue. We can't even talk about this topic honestly unless we hide beyond anonymity.

 

Yeah, that is pretty obvious that it is impossible to defend the accused or defend the actions. Yet, just saying #metoo, or I wish I would have said something won't slow down the epidemic of this problem.

Well, the guys don't care. They want to get laid, and some of them will choose to take what they can't get willingly, or won't be able to avoid temptation if it is right in front of them and unable to stop it. The risk of jail time is a small price to pay, but it is the sex offender registry and public outing that really hurt. Nobody mentions how it impacts the good men that might date an abused woman in the future either.

However there are plenty of women on the other side who aren't going to change the type of guy they choose to date and the sexualization of women isn't going to change anytime soon. The women won't listen or say that we are blaming the victims though. And you won't see the media talk about the modern dating world and how messed up it is.

The generational gap is there for sure, attractive women can "abuse" most men whenever they want, there is a lack of relationship skills training growing up and interaction with the opposite sex in a non romantic setting, and politics is entering into this too since many people would support an abuser if it meant that they got to write the laws and enact the policies they want.

 

And... 4 more women come out saying Bill Clinton is a rapist (shocked)

And Al Fraken has another grope accusation.

And some less knowns outside of certain circles are accused

In chatlogs, celebrated hacker and activist confesses countless sexual assaults

Its getting to be "todays sexual abuser is" every morning.

 

Yah, I saw the definition “self abuse” in my mom’s dictionary back in the late 60’s. Never had the gumption to report myself, but I did act out by ejaculating all over my bedroom in early adolescence.

 

There are different levels as well. George HW Bush and Al Franken touching behinds over clothes isn't the same as Roy Moore, Weistein, Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, and Trump with what they are accused of and most likely actually did.

 

Boom, another day another one...

Charlie Rose fired by CBS, PBS and Bloomberg over sexual misconduct allegations

This is what worries me.

We can't allow trial by media.

This is an easy one to claim, no proof, damage done.

 

LMAO loudly, very loudly!

Seriously. I'm glad that I wasn't out in public at the time.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 21, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 21, 2017 ---

There is nothing acceptable about sexual harassment and sexual assault. It should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

There is nothing acceptable about false allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault. It should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

The public, generally speaking, loves a good sex scandal. Proof of impropriety isn't required in the court of public opinion.

 

These are the sexual-assault allegations against Bill Clinton

Lets be honest about Clinton. He's had a list of accusers for a while, including one that was mysteriously murdered, Mary Mahoney is said to have been about to go public with Clinton Harassment claims.