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Males, being male and the aspects of it, good and bad

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by rogue49, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    Well, it's not very nice. And I imagine if I were a Kampfsau, I wouldn't give a shit what you called me because I have an overly aggressive fuck-off attitude. I imagine I would come back with something like pig-faced troglodyte or something...however you might say that in German.
    --- merged: Nov 26, 2013 at 7:17 AM ---
    oh, sorry. I'm going on three hours of sleep here. feeling giddy.
     
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  2. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany

    Well yeah, kinda stating the obvious. Insults are insulting.

    Dickhead isn't very nice, he probably wouldn't care what you call him either, and he would just as likely find some creative way to insult you back.

    @omega seems to see something in Kampfsau that got his inner Offended On Their Behalf persona out to make a pointless point.


    PS: Commenting while sleep-deprived is fun. Seriously.

    PPS: Pig-faced troglodyte translates to schweinsköpfiger Höhlenmensch.
     
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  3. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida

    Niiiize.
     
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  4. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    @omega seems to see something in Kampfsau that got his inner Offended On Their Behalf persona out to make a pointless point.

    Because it's best just to stand idly by if it doesn't affect me personally.
     
  5. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Does misapplication of Martin Niemöller's philosophy ever qualify as entirely unnecessary and erroneous?

    The answer to that is yes.
     
  6. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    The person who is wrong doesn't get to make that decision.
     
  7. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany

    So pointless, man.

    Playing the Who Is Wittier game won't make your application of your values any less bullshit.

    I'm stopping the nonsense here.
     
  8. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    My values of equality are bullshit. You failed to oppress gay marriage. Now you have failed to oppress women. And my values are bullshit.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto


    -+-{Important TFP Staff Message}-+-
    Please tone it down, gentlemen.
     
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  10. Leto

    Leto Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Toronto

    so, where is it that holding doors etc is patronizing to women? When did society forget about manners? As a man I have no worry over holding the door open for the person behind me, or allowing them to proceed ahead of me. Regardless of their gender. To me this is proper comportment and good manners. I agree with mixedmedia - I have no problems with someone being kind to me.
     
  11. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I hold doors open for everyone - men, women, children, dogs. But I understand the impulse that wanted to deconstruct all of those behaviors back in the 60s and 70s.
     
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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    As a man I knew enough to stay out of the FFF thread :D .

    I'll need to give some thought to what I like about being a man, mainly because most of my thoughts have been covered by others.

    I don't like being expected to fall into pack mentality, namely the desire to be accepted. I've known many men who were basically good people on their own, but turned into dicks once in a group of guys. I graduated from high school over 30 years ago, and have no need for an alpha male leader and acceptance by the pack.

    The lines between being strong & decisive, and being sensitive & respectful of women as equals are very blurred.
     
  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    You know...it's funny...especially now going through the dating process...again. :rolleyes:
    That not only do I get pressured by men to be a man in a certain way... (not for dates, just in daily life, like my job)

    But women also have certain expectations of what it means to be a man...much less a "successful" man.
    (and I hear it from my female associates too about their expectations, it almost seems "old-school" at times...)

    And it's amazing how fast they pass up...on things they say they want.
    That you're not quite "good enough" of a man.
    Yet, I seemingly have what they say they want...

    But I wonder...and I have no large resource...if all humans have this issue.
    That women have it with men, men with women....and also in the gay world...women with women or men with men.

    Except that at least what I hear back from women, that the "not quite" is not in general terms...but specifically towards my masculine traits.
    So that above wouldn't apply... (unless in the gay side, men hear it from other men...but I haven't heard that from them)

    Is your job good enough
    Is your build good enough
    Is your ability to communicate to me good enough
    Is your sense of compassion good enough
    Is your taste in things good enough
    Do you clean good enough
    Can you support me?
    Can you make me laugh?
    and so on...

    Do these questions apply to just men?
    Do women get different questions?

    For as much as women put on make up, clothes and such...
    I feel like I'm doing a vaudevillian tap-dance.

    How the hell do I figure out a message to say everything, but not too much
    To put a smile on their face, but not be a dork
    Be bold, but not scare them away
    To be casual, but attentive, but not smothering, but caring, but...

    When do I become "good enough",
    which is funny, because I can recommend to others how to...or have had some success, maybe even more than others.
    Yet...I'm out there again...being judged, as a man. (and not be a hypocrite...I'm likely doing it to them)

    Man, this "have to do the approaching" stuff is bullshit. :rolleyes:
     
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  15. hamsterball

    hamsterball Seeking New Outlets

    I think most people run off certain inner archetypes that they're either not fully conscious of, or don't want to admit. I think it applies to women and men. There may be certain parts of the archetype (which is different for each person) that don't sound mature enough, or may sound shallow. So, yes, a given woman may want the personality traits after she's selected out for a certain look or level of success. A certain guy might look for his favored traits after he's selected for a certain body type, or hair color.

    I can honestly say that I've noticed that I'm far more drawn to dark-haired women than blondes. I wouldn't honestly say that hair color is important in a woman, but I've seen time and time again that I'm attracted to dark haired women. My wife has dark hair, btw. I also know that I'm attracted by certain personality traits in a woman (though not always constructively).

    I think that it's easy for people to be swayed by these triggers, and it's difficult to anticipate them.
     
  16. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    If I had dwelled too much on these archetypes, I would have never married my husband.

    I'm very familiar with how men are "supposed" to be--I am both a reader and a writer of romantic (little r) fiction. My husband is not at all like those men. He is quirky, weird, and awkward at times. On some level, we just "get" each other, and I think that's what drew me to him. He is tall, but he isn't dark or inscrutable.

    But I agree with your assertion--people have to have filters. Unfortunately, they often choose poor ones.
     
  17. Spiritsoar

    Spiritsoar Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    New York
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  18. Katia

    Katia Very Tilted

    Location:
    Earth
    I sometimes feel sorry for you guys. You're pretty much blamed for everything these days.
     
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Yep..."be a man"

    • Better have a job. (do you make enough...do you make enough for me? for your gf/wife? for children? for your bills? for shopping? for bling? nope...not good enough)
    • Better have a car. (is it nice enough? can you have two?)
    • Better have your own place. (rent? what size? good area? why not a house? what size? yard? location?)
    • Better have...

    What have you done for me lately??
    Keep climbing...keep tap-dancing...can't trip...can't fuck up...keep a smile on your face. (can't show emotion)

    Even now I'm sure some reading this..."want some cheese with that whine?" :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    I spent most of my adult life completely failing at those things. I didn't have a career, or a car, or even a driver's license. I shared living spaces with a bunch of others. I fucked up and frequently showed emotion.

    As a young adult, I avoided referring to myself as a "man". I thought as little as possible about the expectations I wasn't meeting.

    But then, starting in my late 40s, through a little bit of cleverness and luck, I became a "success". I still haven't completely internalized this. I still don't think much about those expectations.