Leave the country based on election result?

It is like a boycott or strike. Two things that aren't used very much anymore, but should be.

It isn't that Mitt would have been a bad President, but if someone like Bachmann won, with rigid Tea Party support in the congress. It's the gloating of the right-wing media and the turning away from what my vision of a great America would be that would make me look to a country like the Netherlands, Canada, or Australia.

 

nah. i merely consider donald to be a striking counter-example. the kind of counter-example that can make entire arguments crumble.

 

I know this isn't a politics thread

but ohmahgod the teabagger blogs/twitters/morons are so funny today. conspiracies flying around, calls to take up arms, anger, blame and not ONE single goddamn word about acknowledging the fact people don't want your bullshit ideals. Go take a fucking 6th grade biology and gov't course and call me in the morning.

 

well, RB, except that it doesn't. It only proves that there are multiple ways of achieving certain results, some more obnoxious and less honorable than others.

 

you're trying to move the ground on which i was arguing, loquitor. you started by asking me whether i was falling for a fallacy that you brought into the conversation and now are acting like i actually have fallen for it.

nice to see you.

 

thanks, RB, it's good to drop in every once in a while, especially after being without power for a week. It's the little things like net access that sometimes we don't appreciate enough.

I'm not sure I agree that I'm shifting. You posited that the existence of Donald Trump undermines an argument; I said no, it doesn't if you bear in mind that the argument doesn't presume rigidly universal applicability; your response was that the existence of the counterexample does indeed demonstrate the falsity of the premise; and I pointed out that the premise doesn't necessarily assume truth in every circumstance.

Hmmmm summarized that way it looks like we're repeating ourselves. Who woulda thunk a lawyer and an academic would repeat themselves?

 

That pretty much proves they are grasping for straws.

47% is apparently new math for "majority". Oh wait, Paul Ryan is the math expert - that explains everything.

 

I'm thinking of leaving the country, but not because of the election. It just sounds like something I should try for a while.

 

There is a whole heap of americans that will be moving to Australia because apparently our "president" is a male christian. Too bad our Prime Minister is a female atheist eh?

Fail: Anti-Obama teen wants to move to Australia because we have 'Christian, male president' | Information, Gadgets, Mobile Phones News & Reviews | News.com.au

 

It's not about just one election, really. It is the persistent move, in general, to the right. BUT, I don't think I am alone in feeling like we are nearing a tipping point of sorts where the election of one more conservative extremist could be the impetus to make our culture and values completely unpalatable to me. I think it's kind of flippant to assume that this shift to the right is ok because we don't have a military dictatorship. And disingenuous to imply that the American political climate is rising and falling in a balanced manner consistent with the political party of the person residing in the White House.

 

The impact may be felt greater at the state level.

As Republicans have gained control of more state legislatures, the increase in extremists laws have been signicant -- record number of bills/laws to restrict women's reproductive rights, prohibit gay marriage, restrict religious freedom (particularly of Muslims), profile "brown" people to verify their legal status....

There has also been a record number of attempts by conservative state legislatures to impeach judges whose opinions they don't like - so much for independent judiciary.

 

MM, where do you see a persistent move to the right? I see the pendulum swinging wildly. People are very unsettled and dissatisfied.

 

The growing conservative movement to undermine the federal and/or state judicial systems and remove justices based solely on politics and not judicial competence is a threat to the very heart of a fair and impartial judiciary and concerns me more than most conservative extreme measures.

As noted in the article above and federal legislative proposals like Ron Paul's We the People Act that would remove the Supreme Court from having jurisdiction over issues of religion, reproductive rights, sexual orientation.

The courts protect the people from legislative overreach, but who will protect the judiciary from the same overreach by extremist legislatures?

Beware the Tenthers movement who want to impose their own interpretation of the Constitution (and the Bible) on the entire country.

 

I'm sure everybody has probably already seen this by now, but it's always worth another look.

 

The Republicans really should like Mexico and the lax regulations, the religious majority, the nice weather, the low taxes, and small government. If Mexico just let white guys have guns, let Americans&Canadians own small homes, and teach a little English, and fix their drug war issues...

 

Because the left is no longer the left. It is center. And it has allowed for the legitimization of extremist voices on the right that would have been laughed out of Washington a few decades ago. The pendulum is swinging from the far right to the center. I'm not sure how you can't see that.

 

I don't see it because I disagree that the left is gone. I see ongoing centralization of power at the national level, less scope for individual choice and freedom in economic matters (and many cultural matters as well), huge increases in the numbers of people obtaining benefits from the federal government -- and I have to ask, where do you get the idea that the left is gone? Seems to me it's alive and very much kicking.