How To Get To Heaven When You Die

First of all, no where in the bible does it say that it is a SIN to drink in moderation. That's proof enough, but here are some other verses:



Pr 31:6 (NKJV) Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart.



If it were a sin, why would God tell them to give strong drink to the dying and wine to the bitter?



1Ti 5:23 (NKJV) No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities.



It was prescribed as a medicine to Timothy.



Eph 5:18 (MKJV) And do not be drunk with wine, in which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit,



Basically it's saying not to be drunk, because it's excess. It is a warning against drunkeness.



1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; {of good...: or, modest} Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;



A pastor shouldn't drink at all.



1Ti 3:8 ¶ Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;



Deacons can drink wine, but not in excess...not a drunkard as a deacon. If it's grape juice as some baptists claim, why would He care how much they drank? Grape juice doesn't get people drunk.



Tit 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; {holiness: or, holy women} {false...: or, one who foments strife}

(KJV)



The aged women are permitted to drink in moderation as well. Only a pastor, or an elder is forbidden.





Mt 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.



John the baptist didn't drink alcohol because he was a nazarite. They were forbidden to do certain things that were not necessarily sins. If it was a sin to drink alcohol, why would God command John, as a special vow, not to drink it? If that were the case, then it would already be expected.



Mt 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.



Jesus drank wine. They called Him a winebibber. They couldn't call Him a winebibber (lush) if He didn't drink wine with alcohol in it.



They offered wine unto the Lord for a drink offering in the old testiment:



Ex 29:40 And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering







Nu 6:20 And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. This is the law of the Nazarite who hath vowed, and of his offering unto the LORD for his separation, beside that that his hand shall get: according to the vow which he vowed, so he must do after the law of his separation.





Here are some more verses that show that there were wine offerings under the law:



Nu 15:10 And thou shalt bring for a drink offering half an hin of wine, for an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD.



Nu 28:7 And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.



Nu 28:14 And their drink offerings shall be half an hin of wine unto a bullock, and the third part of an hin unto a ram, and a fourth part of an hin unto a lamb: this is the burnt offering of every month throughout the months of the year.





Anyways, I could keep going but I think I have proven my point to you. Now show me where it actually says not to drink.

 

I don't know about sacrificing cattle, seems kind of a waste. If he created them he could create some more anytime he wanted. That being said, I'm going to smoke a brisket today. Jesus looks like he could have had a more meaty diet. He looked like a vagrant hippy.

 

I enjoy excess from time to time... Yay, tipsy Dr. Noodle.

 

Wow, I'm out a couple days for a Jewish holiday, and I miss the envangelasion!

Times like this make me remember why I'm so glad Jews are prohibited from active proselytization.

In the meantime, I'll just kick back and relax from the holiday where we spend a couple of days eating blintzes and cheesecake....

 

You seem to have taken a stance in opposition to a point of view that nobody in the thread actually expressed.

 

Posted in jest, you seem very harmless. I sincerely hope I did not offend. If so please don't hurt me.

 

I feel like this would be awful. Why would you do this to me?

 

Count me in.

The bar bill for this is going to be on a different plane, as well.

 

*facepalm* "will EACH be hosting his/her own table as well..."

Blame the insomniac.

 

Oh, it's not the table issue. I just try to not be in the same room with people who irritate me.

 

Oh jeez, children. It's not *heaven* for pete's sake.
We'll all be so tipsy and dancing so much, we won't even notice.

 

Thanks. I don't need a table anyway. I usually have to spread my love to various people and rarely sit at a table for longer than 10 minutes before I am off to talk to some other people who wish to be graced by my presence.

People like you need a table because you won't be asked to join another.
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I actually miss him. :-(