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How to get over a tough break up

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by thattallguy, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Earth
    I'm just speaking in generalities. If I was this guy, I'd be done.

    (and you're right, the thread was basically done-ski by post #5)

    In practice, I've been done pretty quickly with a lot of people.

    We gotta change up the "ditch the bitch" threads somehow.

    Things start sounding like Robert DeNiro's speech in Heat.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    True...but then looking for advise from the Net anyway is questionable.
    Not only are we asking, who is he/she?
    But they should be asking, who are they?
    However, if you put it out there...

    Sincerity can only go so far, especially in a place with aliases.
    Perspective can only go so far too, especially if you're hearing from one side.

    We should know this, of course...because we all are an International Certified Board of Psychoanalysts & Medical Professionals. (TM)
    Right?? :rolleyes:

    At least, that's what it feels like...
     
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  3. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    *eyes glaze over, mouth opens slightly*

    *snaps out of it*

    Hey, I don't know about you, but I've been solving delicate problems involving tiny dicks, huge loads, screwy libidos and other genitals-of-megafauna-style problems since 2008.

    You're my girl, Chelle. You're my girl.
     
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  4. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    Not to mention sideways vaginas.
     
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  5. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Earth
     
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    What a coincidence, I have too.
    Except I started in 2002...and they made me a capo for it. (SUCKERS!!)
    At least they were smart enough this time, not to approach me. I guess some people do learn over time.

    This credential stuff is the shit though.
    We should have fancy certificates with calligraphy and elegant frames in our signature area.
    and a white coat, so people can recognize easier and put us up on a pedestal.

    I mean, if you don't respect a guy who has a diamond encrusted skull already...
    Look at that smile...trust me. ;)
     
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  7. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I see that you added the above to your post.

    I agree, sometimes folks are too quick to jump on the dump him/her bandwagon, but I think for the most part TFPers do a good job of asking for the details before screaming "Leave 'em!".
     
  8. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

    Location:
    CT
    Break the fuck up with her. Set here free to find someone who doesn't aggressively monitor every form of communication she uses and see everything as a slight to them, and don't date anyone again yourself until you've gotten professional help for your severe control issues and learned how to treat someone in a relationship as an equal rather than emotionally abusing them.
     
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  9. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    The Windy City
    On the one hand, she covered it up-- a lie of omission, at the least-- and you found out indirectly. You may or may not have grounds previously for suspicion. On the other, you've been with her for two years: do you truly feel doubt that she slept on the couch?

    You need to decide how severely your trust is shattered, and how strong it ever was in the first place. If it was strong to begin with, and it is not shattered beyond all repair-- and if you both are serious about wanting a future together-- then the two of you should go to relationship counseling. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. This incident may or may not be a dealbreaker for you, but if it is in any way not a dealbreaker, it can only be repaired with real work between the two of you. You need to not only rebuild trust, but to build it much more solidly and strongly than it existed previously.

    However, if you are now realizing that your trust was never actually as strong as you thought it was, and you truly do not believe that she slept on the couch, then you have to go. And it has to be for real, cold turkey. Make sure you have all your stuff back, delete her from your phone and don't take her calls for at least six months to a year; unfriend her on Facebook, unfollow her on Twitter, and so forth. GTFO, and close the door behind you.

    If this is the route you need to take, be warned it will be very hard. It will suck altogether for somewhere between one to three months. Don't be afraid to grieve. Let yourself cry, play sad songs, wallow in angsty sad TV shows or movies or books, etc. But also don't be afraid to start taking charge of your life and moving yourself on: take up a new hobby, read some new (non angsty-sad) books, take a trip if you can, hang with friends, and don't be shy of fantasizing about other women and giving yourself some one-handed massage therapy. But don't try to hook up with anyone new for a good three months: you need to be well on your way to getting over it before you're going to be good for new relationship opportunities, even pretty casual ones.
     
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  10. thattallguy

    thattallguy New Member


    It's funny I thought about this too. On one hand I found out what I hoped I wouldn't find out. On the other hand I wished I never went looking for questions I didn't want to find the answers to. Ignorance is bliss indeed. If I hadn't read her texts I would have never found out. However, I've always taken the approach that perception isn't necessarily reality ( I'm a red pill guy). One thing is for sure though, I have been miserable the last week now that I know and it is over. In the future I will never go snooping again. MSD, you are right it was controlling of me to snoop around and that was a mistake. How did I emotionally abuse her though?
     
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  11. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Perhaps the big takeaway here is don't substitute snooping (there really has to be a better word, one that doesn't sound so retarded; maybe prying? sifting?) for those awkward-but-necessary couch questions. If you have a bad feeling about something in your relationship, do a shot of something 100 proof and address the bad feeling instead of digging through someone's external internals looking for materials that could maybe just possibly justify your clenched gut. TFP is famous for the "Relationship Problem? Try Communication!" cliche but it really is the best way to handle things. It's honest, at least. So, if you learn nothing else, internalize this pearl from Wayne's World: If you spew [communication] and she bolts, it was never meant to be.
     
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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    MSD, you make some good points, but you're turning everything back on TTG. The facts are (based on what TTG has told us, I'll reiterate we're only hearing one side of the story) his GF did lie several times and was at least in very close contact with a previous BF.

    If you hadn't snooped you would still be with a GF who lied to you several times and possibly cheated on you. You're going to make this a lot harder on yourself if you start blaming yourself.

    Was your snooping wrong? Yes, in a way.

    Was your snooping justified? You had suspicions to start with. At the very least you confirmed that you were right to be suspicious.
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Nope, this is not the lesson.
    And I call bullshit on @MSD 's post.

    Listen here, yes you may be paranoid...but at the same time, your instincts may be true.
    Reality is not like Hollywood or books...
    You don't get to see snippets of the betrayal being done...then the detective to track down the clues.
    The clues are subtle and ambiguous.
    It sounds like you have half a brain...that brain may sooner or later notice inconsistencies. Holes in stories.
    It will start connecting dots. But there is no body to say "there's been a crime". This is more subtle, simply someone doing something out of sight.

    You don't need professional help. What you need to do is give yourself the benefit of the doubt.
    Sure it hurts to know. But otherwise, your mind would have continued the connecting of dots, whether you wanted or not.
    So your "paranoia" would have continued over time...because there WAS something inconsistent.
    Do you REALLY want to stay in limbo??? Something lingering in your head?

    Yes, sometimes people are wrong, thinking the worst of others. BUT sometimes people are correct...and the worst is occurring.
    I'd say in the future...your solution is increased and improved communications.
    Set your terms.
    Give yourself the benefit of the doubt.
    Enjoy your relationship.

    But if you think something is happening, then I can guarantee you...you're not going to enjoy your relationship.
    You're not crazy. You're not selfish.
    You're simply on the bad side of some selfish behavior. (Not evil, just selfish)
    And there is no "flashing light" or "impending music" to indicate you're being betrayed. Reality just is...it's quiet.
    It's just your brain, intermittently saying..."Hey, that's curious..." :confused:
    Then it may connect those curious points together...saying "Hey, that's strange"
    Then a pattern forms...not firm, but "something"
    I know...I've been through it.

    Dude...stop beating yourself.
    It's YOUR life. Start living your life for yourself.
    If you're a good & cool person, someone will recognize this sooner or later...and decide to stick around.
    And if they are good & cool too, they'll treat you like they want to be treated.
    The Golden Rule.
     
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  14. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Let's delve into the warm waters of the Paradox of Snooping.
    WHEE!
    It's where you find out your wife craves intelligent conversation.
    WHAT?
    It's where you find porn on your boyfriend's personal computer.
    OH MY!
    It's where you find your roommate using Craigslist to buy drugs.
    OH NO!
    It's where you realize that people value privacy in relationships.
    Damn.



    ...

    I was gonna post some links on this 21st century love dilemma but the top dozen hits are from Yahoo! Answers and I can't bring myself to subject anybody to that hot jet of poo-poo. Maybe I'll go back and find that one grand debate thread on Reddit.
     
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  15. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
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    Not only to I like rogue49's post, I really like his post. Well said, sir.

    Relationships are not strictly black-and-white. There are gray areas that contract or expand depending on the circumstances and situations. Dealing with these gray areas makes distinguishing right from wrong very difficult. The lines get blurred and sometimes a judgment call has to be made.

    TTG, you had to make a judgement call. You need to accept the idea that you did what you thought was best under difficult circumsatnces and live with the results of your actions.
     
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  16. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

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    She had a Facebook message from someone asking to meet for lunch, you freaked out about it; she backed down and downplayed it and your description makes it sound like she was afraid of how you would react. She was texting with an ex who wanted to get back with her, she told him that she's in a relationship, and you're making the jump from her getting a ride from him and sleeping on his couch to her cheating. Controlling behavior and abuse are one and the same, it's not just the snooping i'm basing that on, it's that your examples that are supposed to show what she's doing wrong involve you actively if not aggressively monitoring her and dictatng who she is allowed to associate with.
     
  17. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    And what about the cover-up stories?

    If I had a GF being pursued by her XBF, and then she went out of town and wound up sleeping at his place, then lied about waht happened, I would seriously question her honesty about what actually happened or didn't happen. And I wouldn't consider it controlling or abusive behavior.
     
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  18. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    There are shades of gray (I hate that saying now) between being suspicious and being controlling. As well as being afraid to answer honestly because your partner will be angry and being afraid because you'll be caught.


    I'm not convinced we know yet where on that scale this falls.
     
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  19. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    time. that's it. that's the only secret recipe. No one wants to hear that, and no one wants to wait.

    If I could create, '7 minutes to mend a broken heart" someone would come up with "6 minutes to mend a broken heart" shit. It's Something About Mary all over again.
     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Baltimore/DC
    That's correct, we have no idea, we can only base it on conjecture and what is being told and what is perceived. (as does the person in the middle of it...)
    But you don't say someone needs to get professional help.
    Nor do you state that someone is being abused.
    This is an extreme leap...and understating what can be true abuse and those who truly need help.

    Here's the problem. You don't know until you know.
    It may be happening. It may not be happening. Or it might be somewhere inbetween. (ex. like not cheating, but having questionable conversations)
    That's reality.
    And a person has to deal with trying to figure out what's happening. Or not deal with it, with potential consequences that way too.
    IF a person believes they note indications that something is off, they can either ignore it, followup on it, get someone else to observe too (with their biases) or just "archive it"
    Most healthy people just "archive it"...then followup only if there is a trend.

    If a person is lying or hiding or...just coloring it in their favor...and you have to figure it out otherwise. They are not likely going to tell you.
    If you followup on it...this is NOT abuse, nor does the person need professional help.
    Yes, they could be completely wrong. Then they need to check themselves after the fact.
    What's the old cliche? "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

    But this is how you adjust to the flow of the road.
    Or someone "seemingly" looking like they might swerve into you. You protect yourself, you plan for them messing up. If they don't, you drive on.
    But if they do...at least you've given yourself some buffer.
    The person who walks across the street without looking, may get hit, no matter if they're fully in the right. You protect yourself. You watch things.

    Relationships are difficult. Some are worthy of our trust. Some aren't. BTW...this might change at any time.
    I'd say IF a person was being paranoid and confrontational again and again...without ANY questionable result...then it might be time for the other person to reconsider.
    That is their choice, what they'll put up with.
    But this is still not abuse.

    But here...at least from what we're being told...or what he has perceived or observed...there was some result...or at least something questionable (for most people's terms)
    Now he has to figure out what he'll put up with. Everyone is different.
    But he's not crazy or abusive.
    That's just overkill.
     
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