How to Define Same-Sex Marriage

Sorry I will have to make time to pay in this thread tonight.

 

I, like many others, am so angry about recognizing the rights of others that I would rather attempt to discard the concept of "marriage" entirely than extend the concept to the gays.

 

What are your thoughts on this issue?
I am not in favor of using the term marriage for same sex unions. IMO same sex couples should get all benefits and recognition as heterosexual couples do. But I would like the term marriage stay in traditional sense and we create a new term for same sex unions. Similarly an other term for a group of people who want to be in union and still want all the benefits and recognition from the state.

For example we have a term religion. And then we have a specific name for each religion. It is because each of those religion has its own god, its own faith and it's own rituals. Having specific term avoids any ambiguity and eliminates identity conflicts. Co existence comes with mutual respect not by changing who is majority or who wins.

I also think a marriage could be either religious or completely religion-agnostic. I had had both religion agnostic and religious wedding.
In either case, I think we should not add ambiguity to the existing term marriage.

Isn't it strange to overlook the sensitivity and importance of an existing concept and still expect our alteration to it to be honored by future generation?

Also politics and economics could give a sense of support to one side or the other at a given time in history. But I will never go with the politicians and capitalists. A better society is one that creates a co-existing mutual ground between fellow beings.

Do you believe Marriage should be universally applied to all couples? If so, why?
I don't like overloading or diluting the term marriage itself.
But I strongly support both religious and religious agnostic frameworks, to unite two (or more) individuals in love and life, making a family, bearing and/or rearing children. They must be entitled to all benefits and recognition from the state. The stand of each religion is their subject matter.
I can think of at least four different forms of formal unions possible. They are all unique.

What are your arguments for or against the civil union system as a substitute to marriage?
I don't know anything about civil union system. My opinion on this matter is not legal or religious. It is more about the meaning of the term marriage. And how we can understand when we refer that term to each other

 

*ahem* Other - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why is it only in these sorts of discussions that all of a sudden terminology must be so clear!!??! Is this a meeting of the Oxford English Dictionary committee??

It's like when a bully licks a toy... "uhhh you wouldn't want it anyways..."

"Meaning of the term marriage"?? So you want to go back to a time where it had a special, pure meaning? So you want to go back to never??

 

I always prefer terminology to be clear. Sorry did I misuse or abuse any terms in some other conversation?

Btw no I am not in any dictionary committee. And I am just an ordinary person with very few opinions left in me. And I will certainly put people first and my opinion next. But if I am asked for my opinion and if I am comfortable in a forum I will share my opinion. And there is no expectation in me that I must be always mr. Right.

 

Just to add more context at personal level I am not strictly straight or prude. I am a hypocrite - I often feel like a lesbian caught in a man's body. Meaning I can find girls being together as a sexually graceful but find guys together repulsive. Please note my choice of words.

So once again no I am not those people who claim they are straight and correct in religious teems etc. I am an agnostic. The only religion I can really relate to is being baffled looking at how many galaxies are out there and how many cells are in our body and wonder what is big and what is small.

 

That is very interesting. When I proposed my choice of Union (details some other time) to her she freaked out and if course she dine agree. I was convinced to enter a conventional marriage. ....

 

It's cool you put it across
I had a point I was scared to say. .............

 

Not all people live within a religion's boundary. Some evolved people have overlapping religions. They follow different religion for different aspects of their life. Some want to keep their marriage also to religion. My first wedding was religion agnostic. Second one was religious.

So no not all marriages have to be under a religion.

 

Sure & Thanks

 

In this, you are just a typical male. Nothing special to see here.

 

You didn't get it but that is ok.
And you either missed our ignored my prefix in the quote. That is ok too. I got what you wanted to say!

 

No. I think I understood you perfectly.

You find two men together gross but find two women together hot.

You suggest that in enjoying this, you might wish yourself to be one of those women (projection fantasy). You also suggest that having these thoughts makes you not a prude.

If I've got this straight, you view things like a majority of men do.

 

You got it pretty close. Just that "hot" vs "graceful" and "repulsive" vs "gross" are LOT different when I use or feel them.

 

And by this I suggest I realize that I am a hypocrite.

 

@Curiousbear,

Don't apologize for being the statistical majority. Fuck, don't ever apologize to anybody for anything. Waste of goddamn oxygen.

It's a friggin' scientific fact that the majority of both sexes--regardless of orientation--would rather watch two women make out.

 

DaddySquirrel and I aren't getting married because I'm White and he's Asian. Icky. Our child is an abomination on so many levels. Score. I don't know what my "traditional" family hates more, unwed mother or Asian baby daddy.

Didn't people...royals...marry their cousins , siblings maybe even, to keep the bloodline pure? That sounds pretty traditional. Who has a hot cousin that they want to marry?