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How much bullshit do you really believe?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Lish, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    I freely admit that I have a lot of Growing up to do. At least I don't believe in the Bullshit that is religion, so that puts me ahead of the curve against most of the world. I don't think all Muslims harbored bin laden, but enough did. And they did it in the name of religion. As far as political conflicts, resource wars, etc, those are attributable to human failings and greed. To do it in the name of some almighty is complete Bullshit. If he is so powerful, let him fix his own problems.
     
  2. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    I don't think your objection to religion is very measured or thoughtful at all. It's simply a reaction. There are many religious people (of all persuasions) living here among us now from whom we could learn a great deal if we would just shut up and stop our incessant bitching and bullying about stupid, petty, selfish, egotistical bullshit. And I am not religious.
     
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  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    There is no absolute.
    There is only perspective.

    Everything is considered.
     
  4. Xerxes

    Xerxes Bulking.

    You know, roachboy, everytime I read any of your comments I always think of this ...

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."

    Your probably insulting me, but I can't figure it out cause I'm too illiterate so I'll just clap along with everyone else and pretend I understood.

    Look how smart I am!
     
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  5. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    actually, x-man, i wasn't talking to or about you at all.
    but thanks for stopping by.
     
  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    It's ALL bullshit.

    The hard part is trying to make it meaningful.
     
  7. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    I'm not saying that people who believe in religion are all Bullshit, but when you take a spade to religion, you don't find bedrock but you find the popes septic tank and a lot of bodies. The whole concept of religion is Bullshit, and the sooner people stop believing the lies the better of we will all be. Wyden you have twit Romney stating that America is destiny and we are favored by aid, then it's easy to kill our enemies. Because if they are against us they are against god. My beautiful twin girls were created by ivf and if that fucker Paul Ryan had his way, they would never be born. But science trumps wishful catholic teaching.
     
  8. mixedmedia

    mixedmedia ...

    Location:
    Florida
    um. ok.
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    I've got a background in science and I'm a computer expert.
    I disagree.

    See, there's a certain presumption by some that religion is evil and illogical.
    This is incorrect and arrogant.
    Because cold Atheism can be just as much bullshit...as the other bullshit.
    Either can be used for evil and illogic.

    You can be intellectual and still enjoy your faith.
    One does not have to supersede the other.
    And actually if done right, one can enhance the other.

    I find that my knowledge of the complexity & dynamic of the universe is an awesome perception.
    The more complicated and detailed it is...the more profound.
    Perhaps this is something "more".
    You can't prove it isn't. I can't prove it is. So what. Does it really friggin' matter??

    I enjoy the symbolism and flavor and warmth of my faith...doesn't make me any more stupid or short-sighted.
    Unlike many unenlightened people...I don't deny science or what it finds.

    The same close-minded people of religion that deny science,
    are the same close-minded people of no religion that deny humans some sense of being a part of something bigger.
    Both are presumptuous. Both are arrogant.
    Surprise. You are a priest or zealot either way.

    In comparative terms it is ALL bullshit.
    You find your own friggin' meaning to it all. That's life...then it's over. (or maybe not)

    Me? I'm going to continue enjoying my theoretical physics in dimensional analysis.
    Then I'll also enjoy my Seder with my family on Passover.
    Then I'll enjoy a walk in the park...or an espisode of the Three Stooges.
    Whatever catches my fancy. I can do it ALL.

    Damn I hate it when people think others "should" be THIS or THAT.
    What if I want to do either ...or both ...or change my mind.
    Who the fuck are they??
     
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  10. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Not believing in a god does not affect my life one bit. Religious people do. Not believing in gravity will kill me. That is the difference. One is measurable and real, the other isn't. Don't give me the philosophical Bullshit argument " you can't prove it doesn't exist". You can't prove it does. The difference is I don't make real life decisions based on fantasy. Religious people d:confused:bama is not a Christian, therefore he is bad. Paul Ryan would ban abortions even for rape and incest. If my daughter's were assaulted, they would have to raise a rapist's baby. All based on Paul Ryan's religious beliefs. So if people want to have their little system, then fine. But don't pretend it's real and make real decisions based on it. I like your comment about hating people who say people should be this or that. Because I have yet to see a religion that doesn't tell people what they should or shouldnt do. As far as religions go, I love jews. great comedians come out of judaism, and they dont proselytize. They dont want you to become jewish. They leave you alone.
     
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  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    In your arguments against religion, do you examine the best in religion? After all, you look to the best in humanity in your humanism....
    Mark Vernon, from Teach Yourself Humanism (2008)​
     
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  12. 'Believing' or 'not believing' doesnt put you ahead of any one or any curve. We all in this together. The only person you're getting ahead of, is yourself.

    I thought i'd also correct your comments about the handing over of bin ladin. As far as handing bin ladin over, it wasnt a religious issue at all. Remixer could chime in on this one, but bin ladin was harboured by the taliban because under afghan customs, he was a guest of theirs from the days of the soviet invasion, and you just dont hand guests over, especially to an aggresive occupying force. The taliban offered to trial him under their own system, but the US had invaded by then, and it was really futile to talk any more.
    the US had invaded by then, and it was really futile to talk any more.
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Well, thank you for that about Jews...I appreciate it.
    We're not recruiters, not our thing.

    However, I'm not going to judge ALL religious people according to those who are close-minded. You're doing a blanket opinion.
    That would be like me saying that ALL Atheists are cold depressed soulless individuals who make choice with no emotion or passion. They are not.
    That also would be like saying ALL Muslims are THIS, ALL Mormons are THAT, ALL Catholics are _____. Fill in the blanks for everyone.

    You not believing in something DOES affect your decisions, right or wrong. You are making calls and opinions based on this.
    I think that pretty much all people of faith believe in Gravity...they've incorporated that into their systems by now.
    Anyone else we define as having "issues".

    And as an active technology and science participant...
    perhaps you have not had the "entertaining" experience of having established pros be given I new idea or method,
    having hissy fits and just can't think otherwise when something does NOT fit into their acknowledged knowledge base.
    Science becomes their religion...at whatever level.
    Hoo Boy, its like you've told them the World is Round...even if you have real and mathematical proof.
    Even Einstein had a hard time embracing Quantum Mechanics. "God does not play dice with the universe"

    One person's world view is what it is...some flex, some don't.
    ALL questions are not answered...even in science.
    They still can't PROVE mathematically how a golfer can swing and hit a ball. (I've had this discussion with Mathematicians, I'm developing a Math)
    They still have a difficult time incorporating Chaotic effects into weather systems. (I've had these conversations with NOAA scientists)
    They still can't definitely tell you why Mass triggers Gravity/Relativitistic warps.
    They still can't unify all the Forces.
    They can't tell me why certain Constants are constant.
    What is beyond the Big Bang...they've just started seeing this...What is beyond Subatomic Particles...How do they all inter-relate in realtime?
    And oh so much more...

    Every few months we get ANOTHER science zealot saying we have solved EVERYTHING, what more is there to solve???
    Then Life, The Universe & Everything tweaks his nose a bit, coming up with another question. (42 ;))

    Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people"
    (paraphrased incorrectly as "religion is the opiate of the masses." in reality "Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" but hey, I could be wrong)
    But Science CAN be a religion.
    Atheism CAN be a religion.
    Ask friggin' Russia & China how that experiment went down...

    ANYTHING taken absolute will sooner or later be wrong.
    ALL is dependent on our definitions. (ooo...now THAT is a philosophical debate... Oi)
    Actions and Observations executed this way can be painful and harmful. Religious or Scientific.

    Pretty much you're just coming off as being presumptious, arrogant and angry.
    Me. I'll take my soup with a touch of salt. I like the flavor with the warmth.
     
  14. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    Meaningful? I thought the goal was to keep it from smelling up the place.
     
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  15. omega

    omega Very Tilted