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Grammar Gripes and Other Psycholinguistic Squawkings

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Baraka_Guru, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    Really? In 8th grade you should be fairly educated. You've learned all the basic (essential) 'reading writing and arithmetic'. What comes beyond that is refining. Don't most average Americans read on an 8th grade level?
    I realize that I'm aging out of modern language. What is wrong with the saying 'you only live once' other than it's rather banal. YOLO just sounds...dumb.
    Come to think of it, I sort of hate acronyms in general. There's such a plethora of them and they are oftentimes exclusionary in that if you don't belong to the 'in-group' that uses them you are left out.
     
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  2. I endorse this, heartily! ;)
     
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  3. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    As if we didn't already have a plenitudinous plethora of acronyms from government, military, and business. Now textspeak gives us many more. But YOLO, LMAO, IMNTBHO, are probably no more exclusionary than MRE, RYFM, ACLU, and even ETC.
    Textspeak is now the bleeding edge of etymology.
     
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  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Learning, knowing, and understanding are very different things. In 8th grade, we're moving beyond content knowledge (facts) into more abstract concepts--the refining you speak of. However, there's a language that goes along with that refining. That is one of the key things we work on. Plus, the term "8th grade level" is misleading. There is no 8th grade level; it's a fiction dreamed up by Lexile to sell stuff. I have 32 students with drastically different capabilities from the bottom of the class to the top, and I have to be able to reach all of them. They're also highly distracted by puberty. Thus, when they do understand something, when they grok what I and my mentor teacher have been trying to teach them, I celebrate.
     
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  5. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    When people still write Sake wrong.
     
  6. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    For those who hate acronyms, do not come to Singapore. They acronymize everything.
     
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  7. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    Noted. Thank you.
     
  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Do they also turn a bunch of nouns into verbs? I know they do in the business world.
     
  9. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I find myself frequently annoyed at the complaints of people about stylistic choices which don't affect the overall clarity or understanding of a piece. But when I think about this annoyance more, I realize that I also find various stylistic choices, like overuse of parenthesis or ellipses, worthy of complaint. I think what gets me is the vehemence with which these complaints are expressed, though I realize that this vehemence is probably more blowing off steam than expression of legitimate contempt directed at a human being. By and large, the people who make these kinds of stylistic mistakes do so because they don't know any better, and while some of them are likely insufferable assholes, most of them are probably salvageable as writers and people.

    What really annoys me is the idea that word usage shouldn't evolve. I have no problem with the nounificiation of verbs or the verbification of nouns, and I suspect that it's highly unlikely that the folks who complain about these types of things realize that many of the nouns and verbs they use in their day-to-day are the results of this type of bastardization. Clearly, it is understandable to have a certain amount of contempt for the kinds of trend-addicted, inch deep ideas that take hold in MBA programs and corporate managers, to use the business world as an example, where uninspired metaphors rule the day and "training" becomes "orientation" becomes "on-boarding" becomes "in-learning" becomes etc. But please let new words happen. We should not be complaining about new words or new definitions for old words any more than a craftsperson should complain about new tools or innovative uses for existing tools.
     
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  10. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Not so much. That one was just for you.
     
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  11. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    It's a sacrament. The Transubstantiation of the Parts of Speech.
     
  12. Avestruz

    Avestruz Vertical

    Location:
    Montreal
    Fabby. I hate fabby.

    Fab is fine, fabulous is better, but fabby is like nails down the proverbial chalkboard for me.
     
  13. Fangirl

    Fangirl Very Tilted

    Location:
    Arizona
    What about fab-u? (fab-oo)
    Kidding. Is 'fabby' being used in the US? Reminds me of 'flabby'--ick factor!
     
  14. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    ?????????

    Hi Avestruz

    I was just about to make some espresso and set the video up to watch Georges St-Pierre Ground'n'Pound Carlos Condit, but I thought I'd look in here first.

    But I saw that F-word ... it's the first time I've heard it, and I was screaming .... before I got to "is like nails down the proverbial chalkboard".
    Are you right or are you right!

    Now I know that the Mayans were on the money and that we're heading for grammargeddon. iykwimaityd.
     
  15. Avestruz

    Avestruz Vertical

    Location:
    Montreal
    I've only seen or heard it from people in the UK myself.

    It was a Facebook post that brought on my probably slightly OTT post. "Happy birthday to my fabby dad". That's one letter away from estrangement.

    I don't mind fabu actually but I've only ever seen it written, not spoken. Maybe it's the similarity to flabby that's bothering me.
     
  16. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    The following company has made me mock-cringe and mock-foam at the mouth in mock-horror.

    Covers that Rock! - pedalpouches

    "We understand that the acquisition cost of guitar effects pedals is expensive"

    At pedalpouches, we design and build exceptionally creative covers for effects pedals, pedal boards, and multi-effects pedals. We understand that the acquisition cost of guitar effects pedals is expensive, and our approach is to provide a level of protection for your effects pedal investment with products that are distinctive, functional, and are visually stimulating.
     
  17. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    While I am all about the modernization of language, this was a bit much:
    "OMG -- Evaluate Your Courses Now!" from the PROVOST of academic affairs at my university.
     
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  18. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    NanoSquawk, discovered while editing:

    "The cupboard was now bathed in a green light. He silenced my enquiring glance and gestured me to follow him."

    Hi silenced my enquiring glance
    I mean, dangit, I knew and could feel what I was trying to get at, and it made perfect sense to me at the time. But now I find the sensory disjunct a bit jarring.

    :rolleyes:

    And, in the cold light of restrospect, if you were hiding an underground weapons-cache behind a hidden door in a cupboard, why GREEN light? I was all muahahaha=badass=GREEENLIGHT yah! when I wrote it. But this just isn't good lighting.

    Mind you, 'my enquiring glance' at the time was not querying the use of green light. I was just a bit blown away by a false back to the cupboard.
     
  19. kurdtisj

    kurdtisj Vertical

    Location:
    Illinois
    When I see YOLO I suddenly wish I wasn't alive to read it.
    I also hate when people say irregardless, doesn't regardless work just as well? It is even a shorter word so you don't have to think as hard before you say it!
     
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  20. Every year, Lake Superior State University publishes a list of words and phrases it deems overused, outdated or otherwise worthy of banishment from the English language. This year's list:

    Is Baraka_Guru going to have to change his name?
    Lake Superior State's 38th list of banished words - Yahoo! News

    Personally, I'd banish "War on (insert pet issue here)" and, frankly, would love to see "Tea Party" relegated to the childhood game or Alice in Wonderland scene where it belongs.

    Has anyone else got a word or phrase they are really tired of reading or hearing?