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Dress Codes and Sexism

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by snowy, Jun 7, 2014.

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  1. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I am not familiar with these types of "at will" laws, but it sounds like it sucks to be an employee there.

    In my opinion, dress codes, used properly, lay out a set of clear rules to be followed. I have worked in offices that were small enough and casual enough that they didn't have one, or care what people wore -- I worse shorts and a t-shirt to work most summer days. It wasn't a big deal.

    That said, when you scale up and work in a larger office space, rules are important to keep order and peace. The more you scale up an office, the more likely people are to take advantage or do what they want. In some large offices, this can be encouraged (eg Google, etc.). But many corporate places expect a certain level of professionalism in attire and must lay out what that means or risk expectations not being met.
     
    Charlatan, Jun 12, 2014
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  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    It can be gray but that doesn't indemnify one from being sued.

    At will is at will no contract but you still have to show some cause, otherwise, why bother to document?

    We had one guy here at work who was an executive assistant. He refused to wear shoes. I don't mean at work. I mean entirely. He didn't wear shoes during his commute, on the subway platform, in the office when greeting executive guests. It was gross. His feet were homeless black.

    Couldn't even discipline him because the company has no official dress code.
     
    cynthetiq, Jun 12, 2014
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  3. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    I work in an at will state. Companies create paper trails because the reality is that anyone can sue. Just talk to my former captain who had a whole list of complaints against him. Was eventually demoted to sgt, shunted off to evidence. Until his attorney got him promoted back to captain whereupon he promptly quit. But he retired as a captain, which is dramatically better for his pension.
     
    omega, Jun 12, 2014
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  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    That's true.

    My former workplace had no real disciplinary rules or practice. They wanted to believe the best of people. I had to develop a lot of things on my own in line with L/I requirements. I was glad I had done so after I had to fire an employee as I had ample documentation.

    Back on the topic of dress codes: as a manager, I let it be known what I expected and my employees dressed appropriately. Of course, this all came about after a teenage employee decided it was appropriate to show up in pajamas. My general rule of thumb worked for everyone: dress nicely, dress comfortably, dress with the expectation that you will be bending over a lot, but for the love of Pete, don't wear pajamas.
     
    snowy, Jun 12, 2014
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  5. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    The more I think of this the more it's absurd.

    If dress code says, "Everyone wears pants" then it's sexist because not every woman wants to wear pants and men are traditionally pants wearers. They state guidelines for women's apparel and men's apparel, and since it's not gender neutral, so again, it's sexist.

    People want to be treated the same but yet "identified" freely and differently.

    It's not possible.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo
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    No. You show up in a suit if you have a client coming in or if you have to go to the courthouse. You don't have to wear a suit 100% of the time just because you are a lawyer. Paralegal? You don't have to wear a suit. Admin assistant? You don't have to wear a suit.
     
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    cynthetiq, Jun 12, 2014
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  6. ralphie250

    ralphie250 Fully Erect

    Location:
    At work..
    why cant we all just be naked even my fat ass.
     
    ralphie250, Jun 12, 2014
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  7. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    While I generally like nudity, I do not want to have to deal with that in the workplace.
     
    snowy, Jun 12, 2014
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  8. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    because can you imagine getting your junk hurt on a press or with a tool? XD
     
    cynthetiq, Jun 12, 2014
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  9. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Or burning hot leather seats in your car? *shudder*
     
    Borla, Jun 12, 2014
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  10. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Dress codes deal with women's clothing more because there's more of it. Menswear boils down to T-shirts, polos, and buttondowns. I personally own exactly three shirts, with multiple copies of each in different colors. There are more types of tops available to women than I own actual shirts in total. To my knowledge nobody (other than fetishwear companies) even makes backless haltertops or miniskirts for men, which is why you don't see dress codes mentioning boys when they bring those things up.

    The fact that administrators sometimes come up with sexist explanations instead of saying "it's unprofessional to have your underwear visible" doesn't make the dress code itself sexist, it just makes them sexist idiots.

    Workplace fatalities jump by about 50% in RTW/At Will states. Yeah, it sucks here.
     
    Shadowex3, Jun 12, 2014
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  11. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    It was 109 in Las Vegas. Shorts were like a liability getting into the car because black leather, it buuuuuurrrrns.
     
    cynthetiq, Jun 12, 2014
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  12. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    Men wearing kilts? Sure it's cute when men go to the renaissance festival (I do not dress up when I go, including opening weekend this weekend), but if an attorney or financial advisor showed up wearing one I would be questioning their judgment.
     
    omega, Jun 12, 2014
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  13. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    But what if you were at Aiden McIntosh's office? You know what if they were Scottish?

    Or 1/2 Scot and 1/2 Chinese?

    Or just a little bit Scot but that's how they identified their heritage?

    See now we delve/slicing into racist.
     
    cynthetiq, Jun 12, 2014
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  14. omega

    omega Very Tilted

    What makes you think I would trust any scotsman? I didn't know scots were a race.
     
    omega, Jun 12, 2014
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  15. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    god dammit. now I'm imagining
    NSFW
    [​IMG]
     
    cynthetiq, Jun 13, 2014
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    If you can understand what they're saying.

    If my XBIL & still a friend heard me say that, he would insult me in gutteral Scottish and refuse to tell me what it meant :D.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jun 13, 2014
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