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Computer/tech hardware lifecycles

Discussion in 'Tilted Gear' started by Baraka_Guru, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Yeah, I chose to avoid all of that. The performance gains from Windows 7 to Windows 8 would be too negligible to make it worth it.

    Mind you, I'm coming from Vista.
     
  2. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

    Location:
    Wolf 359
    My desktop has Vista. Upgrading that to Win 7 Ultimate 64 Bit is high on my list as resources allow.
    I must have the "fixed" version of Vista (my system is from 2009), as I have few complaints about it.
     
  3. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I'm clearly a tool when it comes to more advanced shit.

    I'm trying to load a Windows 7 img file to a USB flash drive, but my PC isn't reading it as bootable.

    I've used the dd command in terminal on my Mac to "burn" the file to the drive. This is what I did for Ubuntu, but it doesn't seem to work with this Windows img.

    In Windows, you can create a bootable USB drive for this very purpose using the cryptically entitled "Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool," but I don't have access to a Windows machine to run that.

    It's like I'm stranded from Windows in Unix-type OSes.

    I have Windows 7 right here, but I can't install it.

    It looks like I'm going to need a Windows machine, a DVD burner, or a nerd.
     
  4. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Try this. It's not just burning an ISO to a USB, it needs to be formatted and extracted properly and the USB itself set as bootable.
     
  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Thanks for this. It looked hopeful. I followed the steps and everything seemed to load/extract onto the USB. It loaded the bootable part onto the USB, etc. But when I tried it again, I got the same problem. It isn't recognized as a bootable device.

    It's frustrating because it seemed so easy to do this same thing in OS X for installing Ubuntu: Put it on a USB, boot it, install, done.

    I've tried a few different methods with Windows 7, using both OS X and Ubuntu, and nothing seems to work. I don't know if it's an issue with the files, the USB drive, or my BIOS.

    The extracted files are all sitting there on the USB drive, but my system won't boot from it.

    I have a feeling that I'm close to getting it to work, but I'm just not nerdy enough to know what's going wrong.
     
  6. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Assuming the problem is not with the USB stick any more the other two common misses are not setting boot devices and boot order right in BIOS, and missing the "tap <Key> to boot from device" prompt during your boot cycle.
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    For some reason my BIOS setup utility won't let me change anything in the boot order. If I go to the boot menu, I can select the USB drive to boot from, but it says it cannot find a boot device. (This second part is what I did to boot from the USB drive to install Ubuntu.) I'm assuming the problem is in how the USB drive is being formatted and/or how the files are being moved to the USB drive (specific to the Windows 7 files).

    The files are there, but my PC won't boot from the drive.

    I'm really curious to know if the Microsoft utility I mentioned above will simply make what I need. I just don't have access to a working copy of Windows to find out.
     
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  8. I seem to recall that I burned Ubuntu on a CD and set the bios to boot from that. But that was years and many butchered brain cells ago.
     
  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    In theory, I could burn the Windows file onto a DVD (it's over 2.5 GB), but I don't have a DVD burner.

    I thought this was going to be fairly straightforward. Maybe I should have ordered a disc. :(
     
  10. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Sounds like that might be the only way then. if you've followed the guides about properly extracting and formatting it instead of just trying to put the ISO on the USB drive then I can't think of anything else. If you've got your key you can always borrow the install media from someone else with the same version of win7 and just activate it with your key.
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Yeah.... I'm going to use my neighbours' Windows PC this weekend to access the official Microsoft tool.
     
  12. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Just remember you can only make 64bit installation media from a 64bit windows install. If they have the 32bit version (which tbh nobody should ever use anymore) you'll only be able to make 32bit installation media.
     
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  13. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    The EULA police.

    Sorry that is still a bunch of horseshit.

    I'd say that someone who purchased a Dell and it died and they bought a Craigslist PC and installed a fresh Win7 on it isn't going to have MS EULA popo knocking on their door or even terminating their license.

    Even OEM disc I buy says it is supposed to be sold with some part so that I can enjoy the discount. Doesn't mean it has to go with the machine I bought and installed the part.

    Just because a lawyer said it doesn't mean a judge will agree with it in court.
     
  14. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Pfft, EULA's are a joke in court half the time. I think SONY stil claims if someone breaks into your house you need to delete all your music and buy new copies or something similarly asinine in theirs.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    [​IMG]
     
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  16. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Once upon a time, I had great luck with using old licenses of XP after a call to Microsoft. I don't think they really care that much.
     
  17. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars

    They don't kick down your door. Windows just doesn't activate. OEM license keys are tied to the system they ship with, or the one they're activated on first. As far as I know this behaviour has never gone to court.

    I'll be first in line to say it's pretty fucked up, but I've seen this bite people before. Just don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.
     
  18. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North
    I don't know about individuals but they do seem to go after businesses and school systems.
    Jadzia had some major issues after some idiot tech killed the OSs for seven computers at her school and they didn't have licenses for two of them.
     
  19. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    These sorts of conversations make me glad I was forced into the world of apple.
     
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  20. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City


    yeah because you know... YOLO

    [​IMG]
     
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