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Bill Cosby - Is it true???

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Nov 21, 2014.

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  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX

    I know you're asking Charlatan, but I'll give my answer:

    No.....but.....it certainly shows some hippocracy on Cosby's part. I respect much of what Cosby has said and done, but the recent allegations have tarnished him.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jul 12, 2015
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  2. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    It's much the way I felt when I found out about Gary Glitter.
    I enjoyed the work at the time.
    Some of it will stick with me forever (though Do You Want Touch Me has taken on a whole different meaning), I grew up listening to my Dad's Bill Cosby albums so I have the Noah sketch pretty much memorized.
    But I'm not going to seek out anything by him ever again and when I do think of him it will be with sadness.
     
    redravin, Jul 12, 2015
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  3. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Does it negate his entire career? I am not quite sure what you mean by that question, @Lindy?
     
    Charlatan, Jul 12, 2015
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    I don't think it negates his entire career...
    I still like his film "Himself" as a classic and will use lines and analogies from it in my own stories. Good is good, funny is funny.

    But it dismisses his whole persona of a respected and sincere wholesome father.
    Destroys many future gigs and turns away many fans or clients.

    Again, my cynicism prevented me from thinking of him as any saintly person...I know the truth of Hollywood and the facades they build.
    Will I watch any other show of his??? Unlikely...I don't respect him...nor do I reward ego or slime.
    But he still did good too...charities, teaching kids, value enforcement, etc...

    Good can do bad.
    Bad can do good.
    Mobsters can be charity givers and good parents.
    Priests can be... (well, you know)

    What I did like, it's ingrained in me...and I would likely watch it again and laugh again...because he was damned good.
    I still danced to Michael Jackson's music.
    I still remembered OJ's skill on the field.
    Woody Allen did a terrible or at least really freaky thing...but I didn't watch his movies anyway, they were annoying. (except for Everything you want to know about Sex, but)
    Etc...and so on.
    I think the past is the past...it won't change. The only thing I can change is the present and future.
    And like most people...it's relative, you like who you like...and sometimes the bad stuff they do affects you...and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you care, sometimes you don't.
    Hell, people use to "worship" Priests and Politicians that literally gutted their opponents and those who satisfied certain agendas.
    Are we any more civilized these days??
    Sure we hate those who cut off heads.
    But we also slaughter many from a distance...with drones or other normal weapons. Or we don't protest when people do...ignoring the action.
    Death is death.
    Pain is pain.
    Harm is harm.

    I try not to be a hypocrite.
    Was he a dick?? Likely.
    Will I forget what enjoyed? Unlikely.

    Doesn't mean I'm going to now good out and get a ticket. He burnt that bridge. The cat is out of the box. Things are known. Can't change that.
    Then again, I wasn't watching him these days anyway.

    Frankly, I'm more concerned with the media coverage.
    Why?
    Because their bullshit DOES affect me. I'm getting my news from them. (and I want it straight, not exaggerated or tabloid)
    Their shit affects me more than his shit.
    Theirs are bad words...his are potential evil.
    Both stink though. :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2015
    rogue49, Jul 12, 2015
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  5. POPEYE

    POPEYE Very Tilted

    Location:
    Tulsa
    I am not of the same opinion, any man that is a molester and rapist is no longer deserving of my respect and I am firm.
     
    POPEYE, Jul 13, 2015
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  6. POPEYE

    POPEYE Very Tilted

    Location:
    Tulsa
    Hey @Chris Noyb, after giving it some thought today, I would be hurt if the good things I did we're forgotten due to hurtful choices. Maybe just restitution for the damage is enough. However he lost my respect as a man.
     
    POPEYE, Jul 14, 2015
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  7. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    My take on this is that, despite what he may have done, I still did laugh as a kid at "The Cosby Show" and "Fat Albert". I did laugh at his comedy specials/albums, and some of them are very funny. I enjoyed the show when I went to go see him in person. And maybe even some of the things he spoke out about socially made a positive impact on a few people's behavior. None of that is reversed, even though I'll refuse to be entertained by him in the future, and surely won't respect him.

    However, any and all of that good from his humor or statements can't begin to counter the incredible evil it seems he did to dozens of women.
     
    Borla, Jul 14, 2015
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  8. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek

    I agree with this.

    I am not sure how one would be able to erase the impact of things such as Fat Albert, or the Cosby Show. Theyarein the past, the impact they had (at least the greater part of that impact) is in the past. I am not sure, for example, how one might claim that a child influenced in a positive way by either of those shows should now be invalid.

    That said, I don't feel the need to pay someone, directly or indirectly, for his content today. I do not want to enrich, Cosby.

    As for the balance of evilvsgood? I agree with Borla, thatscalehas tipped beyond repair.
     
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    Charlatan, Jul 15, 2015
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Can you imagine how many great people from the past would not hold up under the media and political scrutiny we have today (let's say 1950 to present)?
     
    Chris Noyb, Jul 15, 2015
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  10. SirLance

    SirLance Death Therapist

    Location:
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    Most of them, probably....

    MLK was a philanderer. Does that make the march on washington less powerful? I don't know the answer. JFK was a philanderer, so does that make the CMC less important...?

    The thing about Cosby is; it seems like there is a predatory thing going on, based on the numbers. I think that differentiates. A human vs. a sexual predator. I think that does make a difference.
     
    SirLance, Jul 15, 2015
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I didn't write my post very well. I meant the media & political scrutiny that we're had in the USA since 1950. 1950 is certainly an arbitrary timeline, I chose it based on the McCarthy/HCUAA witch hunts.

    The predator angle fits Cosby.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jul 16, 2015
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  12. POPEYE

    POPEYE Very Tilted

    Location:
    Tulsa
    Along the same lines just a different person.....I was sorely disappointed when the facts of Micheal Jackson came to light. Being an eighties guy I loved his music and still do. Just can no longer support the man. The media splash of every detail in a public persons life, has left me not wanting to know a damn thing. I expect Madonna and Prince to be sexually, publicly explicit. Even enjoy watching and hearing about it. But don't rape adults or children. Send them people to prison, take all their money, just like the law would an average citizen.
     
    POPEYE, Jul 16, 2015
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  13. SirLance

    SirLance Death Therapist

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    I played golf with the comedian Fielding West today. On one tee box he told this joke, which completely screwed up my drive:

    What do Bill Cosby and Santa Claus have in common? They both come when you're sleeping…
     
    SirLance, Jul 17, 2015
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  14. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    The latest disclosures are quite telling. They certainly shine a light on his douchey, predatory behaviour.
     
    Charlatan, Jul 20, 2015
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  15. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    Just what this thread needed...
    image.jpg
     
    Charlatan, Jul 22, 2015
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  16. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    That cartoon gives such mixed feelings.
     
    redravin, Jul 22, 2015
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  17. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    I expect it does for most of us who grew up loving Cosby and his shows.

    There is such a disconnect between the surface and what apparently lies beneath. Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
     
    Charlatan, Jul 23, 2015
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  18. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

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    I was never super attached to anything Bill Cosby did. I was too young to really give a shit about his show. The Bill Cosby I know is a sanctimonious blow hard, all too eager to embrace the simplistic self-satisfaction of respectability politics. Now, when I see any of his old shit, I'm just going to think "This was recorded somewhere between two different instances of Bill Cosby raping someone." So even though no one asked me, I'm gonna say that his old shit is now tainted by an awareness of what he was doing behind the scenes.

    Also, this:
    35 Bill Cosby Accusers Tell Their Stories -- The Cut
     
    Bodkin van Horn, Jul 27, 2015
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    rogue49, Jul 27, 2015
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  20. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

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    Temasek
    I am curious how those of you who feel Cosby is innocent, feel in the face of these stories?

    Do people still feel these women are making accusations to get a taste of fame or financial gain? Is this all just a conspiracy to take down Cosby?

    I am honestly curious whether this changes your take on things.
     
    Charlatan, Jul 27, 2015
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