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Bill Cosby - Is it true???

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rogue49, Nov 21, 2014.

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  1. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Add another one to the list, if we are still keeping track. It feels like this story lost its excitement and shock value so the news outlets moved on for better ratings elsewhere...

    Cosby: 'Trust Me.' | Cindra Ladd
     
    Borla, Jan 26, 2015
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Right now, he just seems to be the butt of some jokes on TV shows.

    I guess that's all they can do, other than freeze him out of work.
     
    rogue49, Jan 26, 2015
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  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    His finances won't be hurt, but his ego might be if it is the size that many have suggested.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jan 27, 2015
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  4. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, at last count I believe he was worth something like $350M.

    Pretty much all of his work has been pulled except for some of the performances he'd already scheduled. Some of those have been cancelled, but many of them the theater is contractually obligated to let him perform at this point. I can't imagine too many new ones being arranged after this, but who knows.

    I've been to see him perform in person, maybe 8-9 years ago. Proven guilty in a court of law or not, I would not go see him now.
     
    Borla, Jan 27, 2015
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  5. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Borla, Jul 6, 2015
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  6. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC

    Yes, but the headline implies something that isn't proven...in this case, it is not rape.

    While we may think he likely raped women using drugs...it isn't the case here.
    It says that in the 2005 court case, he bought and gave drugs to women to have sex with...which they KNOWINGLY took during the encounter. (and testified in court this)
    You can't go after him for this.

    So it's yellow journalism for the news to imply otherwise.
    Did his lawyers block any discussion about any other context...yes, they objected.
    But it's never legally been proven
    Nor witnesses taking the stand to state this. (only lawsuits going after him which settled)

    Did he purchase illegal drugs? Yes.
    Did he have sex outside his marriage? Yes
    (but who knows, he may have an open one...and he wouldn't be the first entertainer to portray clean and pure...and in truth be "flexible" and more liberal. NTTAWWT )

    Sorry, you gotta do it the right way.
    And if it's true, then the system screwed up...and any potential witnesses have let it go (or at least, for too long.)

    The news is fucking with its own integrity by saying otherwise...just to sell papers or gain hits.

    A shame on ALL sides.
    Wish it could have been different.
     
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    rogue49, Jul 6, 2015
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  7. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    The question is simple: Are women adults, or not. If they are adults then they knowingly took drugs and engaged in consensual sex. If they are not adults then someone else is responsible for their actions.
     
    Shadowex3, Jul 6, 2015
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  8. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
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    My impression is that he partied with woman in a time when it was acceptable to get them too high to say no and when attitudes changed so did his methods.
    Maybe we can say that the woman who took the drugs in the wild times are responsible for their actions even if you are dealing with a possible predator.
    When he started with the roofies it was all on him.
     
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    redravin, Jul 6, 2015
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  9. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    Where there is this much smoke, there is fire.
     
    Charlatan, Jul 7, 2015
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  10. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    I was partying back when people knew what Rorer 714* meant. Back then, let's say the '70s in general, popping a lude to relax wasn't much different from having a couple of drinks to relax and 'get in the mood.' Obviously different people (women for this discussion) have different tolerances. And alcohol & others drugs consumed are factors.

    If the woman decided to relax with a lude or two knowing she was going to have sex, that's on her.

    If Cosby had to work at talking a woman into taking it, that's on both of them. He shouldn't pushed the issue, and she should've stuck with "no."

    If he slipped ludes to women without their knowledge, it's totally on him.

    If the sex was involuntary under any circumstances, and I count a woman being too high to know what she's doing, then was rape.

    It's clear that Cosby was getting "some strange" outside of his marriage. There have many intelligent, powerful, and charismatic male leaders guilty of the same. The thing is Cosby helped to place himself on the pedestal. While there may be no clear evidence that Cosby slipped women Mickey Finns, the overall situation certainly makes it appear very likely.


    * Amusing note--714 was also the FBI shield/badge number of Sgt. Cooke on the TV series Dragnet.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jul 7, 2015
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  11. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    To be clear, I didn't post that article as a means to say "this definitely proves his guilt".

    But I do consider it another small piece in the, increasingly overwhelming, stack of circumstantial evidence and believable claims by victims. As someone who grew up on The Cosby Show, who has been to see him perform in person, and who often admired the statements he'd make on current affairs (i.e. I was a big fan), I can't believe at this point that it is all some gross misunderstanding and he is 100% innocent. ymmv
     
    Borla, Jul 7, 2015
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  12. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    UVA, Mattress Girl, Duke Lacross, Jack Thompson, Satanic Panic, McCarthy, Japanese Internment, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Salem witch hunts.

    Smoke and Fire come from Torches, Pitchforks, and Burning Crosses. I'll wait for convictions and empirical evidence.
     
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    Shadowex3, Jul 7, 2015
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  13. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    You do that, Mr Hyperbole.
     
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    Charlatan, Jul 7, 2015
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  14. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    My opinion doesn't necessarily follow legal convictions. I still think OJ did it and that George Zimmerman ought to be in jail.

    The latest news on Cosby came from court depositions where he testified under oath. Even by 70's standards, he's admitting to a felony.

    He may not be a convicted rapist (yet); but he's still a scumbag.
     
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    Stan, Jul 7, 2015
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  15. MeltedMetalGlob

    MeltedMetalGlob Resident Loser Donor

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    (This isn't one of mine, just so everyone knows.)
    [​IMG]

    Pill Cosby- (It's going to end badly, no matter WHAT pill you take!)
     
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    MeltedMetalGlob, Jul 7, 2015
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX

    The statute of limitations for criminal charges has ran out, and there is no longer any evidence to be searched for and examined, tested, etc.

    Shadowex3,
    --If you stand firm on your statement, do you believe Bill Cosby to be innocent?
    --Under the same accusations and circumstantial evidence, if Cosby were a younger man, with a younger man's libido, would you want a female close to you (mother, sister, wife, SO, GF, cousin, good friend) to work closely with him? Be a member of his staff? Travel with him, stay in the same hotel?

    -------------------------------

    Is there some "piling on" by some of the accusers? Very likely.

    Are some of the accusers exaggerating, perhaps out of remorse? Very likely.

    Are some of the accusers telling the accurate truth? Very likely.
     
    Chris Noyb, Jul 8, 2015
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  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    At this point, it looks like the only evidence he can trust is that which comes directly from Bill Cosby himself.
     
    Baraka_Guru, Jul 8, 2015
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  18. SirLance

    SirLance Death Therapist

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    It's clear he's a serial philanderer. Rapist? Criminal? Less certain. As has been pointed out, according to the deposition the people involved took the drugs voluntarily. He may be a scumbag but there's no proof he slipped anyone a rufie.

    I think society needs to learn to withhold judgment until all the facts are in. If there's going to be a civil or criminal proceeding, then let's let a jury hear the evidence and issue a finding.
     
    SirLance, Jul 8, 2015
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  19. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    There are currently 45 women accusing Cosby of various types of sexual assault.

    Forty-five.

    This man isn't simply a serial philanderer.
     
    Charlatan, Jul 8, 2015
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  20. SirLance

    SirLance Death Therapist

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    Where you least expect me
    He has not been proven guilty of a crime. An accusation does not a fact make.
     
    SirLance, Jul 8, 2015
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