baggy pants law

Well lets see....

Just using these two post without having to go through the entire thread again, most people doing this are not trying to dress like a gangsta. Its fashion, to act like everyone doing it trying to be such hood is silly. To say that everyone who is sagging is want to be on walfare or trying to gain street cred is silly. So say there is a social economical connection to these fashion style, yet on TV you see nothing but a bunch of millionaires on TV dressing like that. There is nothing hood about Jodeci, there is nothing gangsta about Justin Timberlake, there is nothing poor about Jay-Z. There is nothing slanging or banging about Justin Bieber. And there the whole extra low rise fashion for females.

The whole point comes down to "it's a stupid fashion and I like the law", or "it's a silly fashion, but the law itself is stupid".

 

Shut up & go & change your armor.

 

Thanks Perfxion well said, now back to the debate

silly fashion, silly law

done, you're welcome

 

If we're going in this direction (of which I approve, even if it's a threadjack), can we please have a serious conversation about gaucho pants?

In all seriousness, I don't understand how people can walk with their pants that low. Definitely more of a waddle than a walk, from what I've seen. Is that offensive?

 

This is what I prefer to wear instead of those baggy jeans that the kids seem to love.

 

while walking our dog a couple of years ago, my daughter and i saw a young man thus attired who was talking to a pretty girl. he was leaned back all cool-like on a motorcycle trying to look triple dog special tuff. when the motorcycle started to fall over, he turned around and bent over to catch it and his pants down fell around his ankles exposing his bvds. the girl started laughing and he was stuck there, trying to hold onto this big-ass motorcycle while reaching back desperately to catch his pants which were long gone.

i would hate to lose experiences like this completely.

I think the style is stupid, but like a lot of people have pointed out there are plenty of styles out there that I think are stupid and, according to the dictatorship of judgment in my mind, should be banned.

Your average grandma has seen more bare butts than any of us. I'm not buying that it's something that grandma will never get over. Grandma needs to mind her own business.

 

The world needs more Chuck Norris Action Jeans.

 

it almost seems as if the people who came up with the law have nothing better to do. my brother in law is a cop and i asked him about the law and his response was "I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT AS A COP I HAVE A HARD TIME INFORCING THE LAW WITHOUT PROFILING. ALSO WOULD YOU RATHER ME ARREST A DRUNK DRIVER OR A MAN WITH HIS PANTS HANGING PAST HIS ASS".

 

Ya'll just got 'Health'd, Moral'd and Welfare'd by the State.'

Don't think of it as overregulating irrelevant fashion concepts. Think of it as regulating obscenity and indecent exposure. SHAPOW!

 

I know this wasn't a direct reply to me, but you quoted me so here's a reply.

You seem to be implying that it's ok to emulate a gangsta because some one on TV did it first.? Or is it ok because a big designer copied the style to reproduce in a Chinese sweat shop and retail at 2000% mark-up. I don't get it.
Let's go back to the Nazi comparison or any other hate group for that matter. If a big designer picked up sheets as a fashion, would it be ok to wear that? Or how about the Jack boots and Swastika? Why can't we just have a little respect for our fellow human beings and keep your ass in your pants?

Like I said earlier, it's just stupid and makes me laugh. Why would anyone want to look like a drug dealer or a gang-banger? Even if you think you're just dressing like JT, you still look like the source, not the star. And anyone older than you sees the source, not the star, because who the fuck is Jodeci or Bieber? For that matter Jay-Z's career ended before most of these ass nuts were born and JT's only real claim to fame is banging Brittney before she became a fat, drugged out slob. Although I will admit JT is becoming a reasonably respected actor now.

You seemed to misinterpret my 'welfare' comment. It wasn't about anyone wanting to be on welfare. Being gangsta is all about Bitches, Bling and Blow, not welfare. the welfare comment was about welfare bitches buying $100 bras to wear on the outside of their clothes. Yeah, that's cool.

 

Well, my own personal tastes coming out, I think this law should be enforced only against men. I'm ok with woman having pants that fall off at random.

 

arent we all

 

Relativity:


... which is only one facet. As I read this developing thread, and also SF's 'UK is Burning' thread, I become increasingly aware of how 'the media' emphasizes one or a limited number of elements, typically using didactic, closed language, as if to cut off other lines of inquiry.

Those old chaps in the cartoon need three tools: a mirror, time travel, and the ability to step into another's shoes.

To what extent did they used to be like the young ones?

In my past, I'd wear my leather jacket and jeans regardless of weather. I was identifying with fashion ... Rawk ... Thin Lizzy. Badness. I was aware of some extremes of nastiness of some of biker culture, but I did not identify with them. Standing with one foot up on a wedge monitor, fisting the air and and exclaiming 'We are going to rock the house tonight', had all the mass-rally energy of incitement to riot. All it meant was that music would be loud and bouncy. It was an 'us' I was part of. It was the kind of Badness which then, as now, was not intended to mean being nasty and cruel.

The first verse:
I am your main man if you're looking for trouble
I'll take no lip 'cause no ones tougher than me
If I kicked your face you'd soon be seeing double
Hey little girl, keep your hands off me 'cause I'm a rocker

It is a very "I have the power" message of physical aggression and sexual dominance.
Also places the speaker in opposition to another sub-cultural element, with tacit acknowledgment that both are strong rebels. Internecine gang stuff, rather than opposition to 'The Man'. Though both would be expected to disrespect 'the man', or risk being excluded from any part youth culture. The worthy opponent as distinct from the enemy?

My friend Elena - one of her friends was a Ted -wanted to go to a Ted convention at the Lyceum Ballroom "Zen, will you be my bodyguard?" meant "Please can we go together, and come home together, and you keep an eye on me while we each have our individual good, but safe, time." I got her agreement that she'd keep an eye on me too, and we set off. I was, of course, wearing my leathers and jeans. Those Teds ... heck ... then as now, I thought they looked so ((( Shhhhh they looked STOOOOOPID ... ((lol at self))))). Elena was very much a RAWK chick. She had a dang uncomfortable and embarrassing time dancing with some Teds, as did I dancing with some Ted girls.

This was a 'scene' where the metaphors of violence were contained within the music and symbolism of posture. We had no complex finger gestures, but plenty of fists in the air and bicepy stuff; also the shoulder shake, which was as much a statement of group identity as a dance. I remember, one evening, being part of a ring of eight or nine boys and girls: we were facing inward, and wow, it was like a non-contact group hug. A molecule of extreme binding forces flashing fire between us as we touched something eternal and became immortal. The music would end and we'd 'know' something magnificent.

That music ended many years ago, yet, expressed differently, I see the outward signs of the same dance. Tottering platform shoes followed may years later by pants falling off.

Some of the dynamics seem similar, and in my part of the universe, I had no violent intent, and hardly witnessed any.


The cartoon had offered me one set of parameters - fashion and functionality - and an avenue to explore. Even gave the vehicle "Let the judgers look at themselves"

And off I went and returned to this point. Potential for nostalgic chuckles.

But the cartoon also offered me premature closure. Do I want this. YES ... then I get to make my DAKA-style fried spaghetti for dinner. I can stop thinking further.
The cartoon is a 'laugh', but potentially dangerous oversimplification. It has presented one balanced polarity within a very narrow field in which one can expend energy. I have heard from a South African firned of mine who likes seafood, that if you put one lobster in a pot, and it climbs out. Put two in, and each keeps pulling the other back in. Hmmm - Add a laugh, and, perhaps, the pot actually becomes comfortable.

 

There is all kinds of wrong here. First off, most people are NOT trying to be gangstas. The fact that you think anyone dressing remotely like this is trying to be a gang banger of some kind is a joke in it self and shows how out of touch with the culture to understand. Hip-Hop culture, one of the major sub cultures of America, is more than just "bitches, bling, and blow". So someone with sagging pants is the same as someone leading a group of people to the gas chambers. Do you know how screwed up that is? You are comparing a fashion style that Justin Beiber wears to Adolf Hitler.

Not everyone sagging is a drug dealer, gang banger, or hoodlum. Seeing I live in an upper middle class neighborhood and most people sagging are white teens who drive daddy's other BMW to school, I doubt they are trying to be "hood". If you don't know who Justin Bieber is or think Jay-Z's career is dead then this also shows how out of touch you are with reality. Jodeci, I can kind of understand, but were a group that brought this fashion style to the main steam. They were the bad boys of RnB when Boyz II Men were the clean cut look. Either way, they were not being thugs, they were just dressing in fashion. I am not going to turn this into a full music thread, but N'Sync might say hello. And his last album was in 2006, and it STILL gets radio play. I wouldn't say dating Britney as Justin Timberlake's only claim to fame.

So only people buying 100 dollar bras are welfare people? Um, most welfare "bitches" are not buying 100 dollar bras. They rather get a goochie bag.

 

I'm sure you understand that to emulate something is to imitate it. The fashion, like it or not, imitates how ganstas have dressed since the 80's. Who or what wears it now is imitating the original. There is no flawed reasoning here, it is, what it is. Comparing Gangstas and Nazis is not a far stretch in my mind. Killing millions with gas and bullets, works out to the same thing as killing millions with drugs and bullets. Killing millions of people. Again, I ask, why would anyone want to imitate this?

I did not say 'Bitches, bling and blow' was hip-hop culture, I said it was gang culture. And yes I am saying that some one dressing as a gangsta is just as big of an ass, as someone dressing like a Nazi. Dressing like someone, however, doesn't make that person take on their behaviors. It just makes him/her a reminder of all the heinous acts committed by those you are emulating. It also make him/her a douche bag.

I did not say everyone who buys $100 bras is on welfare or a bitch. I said I think bitches on welfare buying $100 bras to wear on the outside of their clothes, is just as stupid as middle class white kids wearing baggy pants.
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You trying to pull a Cochran on me with the N'Sync comment? I'm not sure if it worked, let me know.

Led Zepplin still gets radio play after 30 years. HA, back at'cha.

Shit, what were we talking about?

 

So I take it that dressing like a marine is comparable to dressing like a nazi then, because both have been involved with the killing of lots of people.

 

Not to mention men in suits.
No single group of people has done more harm to this country than white men in suits.
And I think any man who wears a suit is a scumbag, too.
Just like the Nazis.

This is fun.

 

Give me a break. Housewives have done more harm than good to the world, what with all the pushing of cakes and pie. America's problem with obessity can be drawn directly to the apron. Aprons make people fat.

Let's also remember that white is bad. White shirts for politicians, white KKK robes, white powdered wigs - all bad.

Oh, and all countries with red in their flags are evil.