Are Men in Trouble?

Sh'yeah... about the same time EventHorizon reads that link I posted.

 

you don't punch the ears, you box them, bookman.

 

Looks like somebody else hasn't seen Fight Club.

/waits for Manic to pop in

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Speaking of how much I love to hear my own voice, here's a random tirade that was brought up at work a few months ago:

This isn't directed at anybody in this thread, but does everybody ever think women need to shut the fuck up when guys are arguing about what it is to be manly? This is the enlightened age, right? I mean, a man certainly has little place in telling a woman what is to be womanly. I won't ever tell a woman what it's like to bear a child or how it feels to basically be a sex object with an expiration date. I don't think women really have a lot to offer in this kinda discussion. It's one of those annoying self-identity debates where only a certain group can answer. It's all masturbation, of course.

I'm not going post in a thread where Levite is talking about what it is to be Jewish.

We wanna compartmentalize ourselves using superficial shit like genitals?

That's cool. If you're not in the club, you should probably keep quiet.

 

no, I've seen about 20 minutes or so of it...didn't appeal to me.

Maybe men got into trouble when this happened.

 

I haven't commented on what it's like to be a man. I offered a theory. But I will leave the thread if you like.

 

Wait, do I have to put all my snarks in italics or just the ones that aren't blatantly obvious?

(patiently awaits your expert dissection of the OP)

 

Is that what that is?

 

To paraphrase the article:

I think what we're moving away from is overly rigid, arbitrary definitions of masculinity. Good for us. I know dudes who still seem to be caught up in trying to out-man their fellow man, they don't seem happy. Masculinity is as much a marketing tool as anything else.

 

Things are changing, and I don't like it. Nope, I don't like it one little bit.

 

I know all too well what that's like.

 

I can usually smell a snark a mile away. I admit, I didn't take your post as snarky either - I took it seriously and am still crying.

I take back everything nice I've never said about you.

 

No, the fact you swap blow jobs in the local mens room makes you gay.

As to the OP the story's kind of all over the place at times. Plus it's not that great about job to job match ups in my opinion. I worked in three mainly male dominated fields for most of my adult life. First the military- granted this was nearly 30 years ago but in my experience women were treated completely different. Dirty job? No, no can't have a girl doing that. Heavy lifting? "Yeah you two guys better go handle that. Petty Officer tight pants can stay here in the office and water the plants." "Umm Sr. Chief... we don't have plants." "Yeah, what's your fucking point? Get your ass down there and move that pump." Nighttime roving security watches? "You can't have a females wondering about the ship alone in the middle of the night, not safe for her... or the ship. Give all the daylight hour watches to the females and have the males cover the night time ones." So all the women in my division were always well rested while at least 2-3 guys would have been out 4 hours of sleep time the night before. Now pay was completely equal, if you were E-5 you got E-5 pay. Maybe life in other divisions, mine was engineering, were very different like in supply, communications or other less "labor intensive" divisions. I can only speak about one division on one ship, mine.

After the Navy I went into corrections and then law enforcement. Both mainly staffed by males. I remember when I applied for the corrections job, there were two openings at a very small work camp where inmates could earn money to repay people they ripped off. I originally applied for the asst. cook position as I had no experience in corrections but had flipped burgers prior to joining the Navy, in fact flipping burgers played a large role in my decision to join the Navy. I filled out the application and drove 70 miles to turn in my app in person. The director of the camp took one look at my app and said I don't hire men cooks but we do have a corrections officer opening. I explained I had no experience in the field. He said "I see here you're ex-Navy, that's good enough for me can you start Monday? It pays double the cook position." "Yes, yes I can." At that camp we never had a female officer, just cooks and clerical. I worked there while I obtained a sleep skin and was promoted to a parole officer position. Took 3 years but felt like 30. Standing around handing out toothpaste and TP to guys who have nothing but time on their hands to find new ways to fuck with your head wasn't my calling in life and I knew it.

In the first parole probation office I worked at it was about 70-30% men to women. Other then not feeling comfortable going out on "troubled" calls alone I'd say the women worked just as hard as the men. The second office was more women then men and the women refused to leave the office for the most part. Really hard to check up on whether a parolee is actually working without going to the work site. I was putting 3K mile a month on a Jeep most of these ladies wouldn't go over the 200 mile mark. According to admin. rules each parole officers was suppose to see each parolee in the field once a month. I know when I didn't see someone during the month I'd get a nasty call (later an e-mail) from my supervisor. I'd return to the office and often find the female staff watching soap operas or talk shows on a TV they pitched in on. We did have one lady who insisted on spending a lot of time in the field. She's see people on her case load about twice as often as I did. When she did she had a way about her. A way that really pissed off her parolees. My friend and I used to call her "bullet catcher." When my supervisor retired they promoted her and she became the person who would e-mail me if I missed seeing someone on my case load. She also had the TV removed from the office and insisted every PO fulfill their field time requirements. When I retired I was still calling her "bullet catcher" I just figured the bullet would be coming from friendly fire.

The other job I did was run a small construction company which was usually just me and one other guy. Later on during summer months I added my daughter. The work load there was very even. My employee was not happy at first, wanted to hire his son. But my kid proved herself pretty fast, nothing she wasn't willing to do. And she's very mechanical. During HS she tore down and rebuilt a Chevy 350 for a class project. Figuring out how to pound a nail into a wall wasn't a problem.

 

Mankind is in no more trouble than it has ever been. Since women have always done most of the labor, this "discussion" confuses me.

 

^^^ crazy person, nothing to see here move along.

 

0_o

 

Okay, okay! Equality isn't available. Men are in no more trouble. Mankind is in no more trouble than we've been since acquiring & utilizing the means of our planet's destruction, misspeaking the ecosystem that's struggling to maintain us. I should have obeyed my ex-wife.