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American Teacher

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by curiousbear, Jan 11, 2012.

  1. curiousbear

    curiousbear Terse & Bizarre

    Can't below tools work?
    1) Result of students
    2) A one paragraph feedback of students about their teachers
    3) A one paragraph feedback of parents about their children's students

    You nailed it. I totally agree with your point...
    Also I had had teachers who otherwise would have been a total failure as engineers or doctors, but they were the only reason for who I am today and each and every marvel job if any I do is totally because of those Gems of my life...
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    I heard an interpretation from a friend. She says the policy makers dont want a nation full of intelligent leaders. They want only a thin layer of leaders and rest of the population to be good followers. People who are just good people with limited skills and who would just follow the law, rules and earn some money and pay tax. Even though I could not comprehend to what she said, I thought it just cant be the case! Or is it?
     
  2. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    I'm on the P&C (Parents and Citizens, though stuff all non-parents turn up!) of my kids school. One of our jobs is to raise money for the school. What this mostly entails is members of the school community paying extra (whether it is a school fair, trivia night, sausage sizzle etc.). This is not tax, but after tax dollars that we raise. For a 250 child school, we raise about $15,000 a year that is used for better equipment, facilities and casual staff. I'd think a lot of schools (this is a government run/public school) would do something similar. Having said this, the P&C meetings are usually attended by a very small majority of parents, but the events we run are quite well supported by the school community.

    For example, our new principal is keen to get students involved in Robotics and we have spent a chunk of our earnings from last year to enable her to get stuff to help with this.

    With respect to standardized tests, we have a similar system in Oz called NAPLAN. The issue with these is that government run schools (like ours) HAVE TO accept any student that lives in our catchment, including "special needs" and ESL (English as a Second Language) students - these WILL lower your NAPLAN scores and affect the ranking our your school. Still, it is pretty easy (by talking to parents) to find out whether they think the local school has a good reputation. I know I wouldn't hesitate to recommend my kids school to others.

    More info on the NAPLAN tests if interested:
    http://www.naplan.edu.au/
     
  3. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    It makes strategic sense for the elite to maintain their grasp on power and authority by minimizing the number of potential contenders for the top spot.

    Could be the case.

    Then again, it may simply be incompetence and idiocy that created America's education system.
     
  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Here are some things about education in America that I think need to be said, as I see that some people in this thread do not understand the various complexities of the American educational system. I just finished taking a class on "the structure, purpose, and function of education in a democracy" (read: history of education and educational philosophy in the United States), so much of the knowledge here is from that course, as well as another course in working with children with exceptionalities. Some of my knowledge also comes from being the daughter of a retired high school principal, and some of it comes from working in the schools as a paraprofessional and student teacher.

    One, funding models vary from state to state. One popular model is that local property taxes pay for schools. However, it gets more complicated from there: school districts have the option to pass bonds (to pay for capital improvements) and levies (to pay for additional operating costs). The funding model of local property taxes funding schools can lead to great inequality, as you can probably guess. The more property tax collected, the better funded the school is. Oftentimes, it isn't the choice of the school to be poorly funded; rather, it is just the economic reality of where that school is located. Richer districts can also afford more frequent improvements via bonds and levies. In Oregon, we use a different funding model because of an amendment to the state constitution (Measure 5). Basically, all property tax now goes into the state's general fund, and from there, the money is doled out to school districts on a per student basis. We are pretty unique in how we do this. A great book that illustrates the inequalities created by the way we fund education in the United States is Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools by Jonathan Kozol. The companion documentary, Children in America's Schools with Bill Moyers, takes a look at schools in Ohio and illustrates the difference between poor rural school districts, poor urban school districts, and wealthy suburban districts.

    Secondly, the regulation of American education is different. We started out with a system that regulated education on the local level, via school boards. Eventually, we added regulation at the state level. In Oregon and Washington, there is another intermediary level between the local school district and the state--the educational service district. The ESD's role is to provide support for local school districts and help them coordinate with the state. Only recently have we added regulation at the federal level. The Department of Education has only been a cabinet-level office since 1980. However, national laws regulating education started appearing in the 1970s, with the Educational Amendments of 1972 (ncluding Title IX), the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and Education for All Handicapped Children Act (1975). EHA was revised in 1990 to become the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). IDEA was revised in 2004 to reflect changes made in educational law in 2001 with No Child Left Behind. All these different layers of regulation have resulted in ballooning central office staff and administrative costs. Heck, one of the school districts my dad worked in appointed two Teacher on Special Assignment (TOSA) in order to negotiate the school district through the changes mandated by NCLB. That was in addition to all of the curriculum administrators who also had to deal with all of the fallout from NCLB.

    One of the main problems with federal regulation of education in this country is the unfunded/underfunded mandate. Take No Child Left Behind. It requires school districts to provide extra services at no cost to families and children, yet many school districts have argued that the federal government hasn't provided enough funding for those services. I believe we also don't provide enough money at any level for children with exceptionalities, be they disabled or talented and gifted. We also need more funding for English Language Learners.

    I don't think incompetence and idiocy created America's educational system. What created it is too many people wanting their fingers in the pie. We have tried to nationalize how we think about education in the face of a globalized economy. Unfortunately, we have done this in such a half-assed way that it is ineffective.
     
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  5. NetvorFena

    NetvorFena Vertical

    Location:
    Michigan
    Working in SPED I have seen this problem to be so huge. The principal in one of our city districts recently said, in a meeting, (I am paraphrasing) that "The bad principal in me would say that we can't meet the needs of these two students and that they need to go to the ISD classrooms. These two students are costing us 100,000 a year in services and we aren't getting any extra funding for providing these services." The ISD is our intermediate school district and they have 3 classrooms for serving the severely disabled students from all of our two counties. He was accurately portraying the amount of teachers and money that is being spent to serve only a few special education students.
     
  6. spindles

    spindles Very Tilted

    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    My children's school has a 'learning disability' classroom, so *we* get children from around the area with mental or physical disability. They have a dedicated teacher and teachers aide for the 6 or 7 children they had last year. You shouldn't discount the benefits having these children at your children's school provide to the other students. Intangibles like tolerance etc.

    Our school does receive extra funding for them, though, similar sounding to the ISD classrooms mentioned above. They are just run inside an existing school, rather than being completely separate.
     
  7. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    The law in the United States requires that disabled students receive a free and appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment. This means that as much as they are able to be included in a regular classroom, they should be, and the environment should be managed to include them. My cognitively disabled cousin spends 1 period of her day in a regular classroom and the rest in a specialized classroom. However, the funding needed for fully supporting these children is not always there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_Restrictive_Environment
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstreaming_(education)
     
  8. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Germany's educational system also started on a local level and is still largely controlled by each state (the differences between some states are very far-reaching when it comes to education). Germany has a whole bunch of regulations on the schools' curriculi, prescriptive teaching methodology, mandatory material/topics to be covered by each class in every year, nutritional requirements for lunches (and in primary schools, breakfasts), safety requirements, and special educational programmes. Also take into consideration that Germany has three types of schools (standard, full-day, evening) with four different modi operandi (Gymnasium, Realschule, Hauptschule, Sonderschule), with whole sets of different regulations for each modus operandi.

    I severely doubt administrative tasks/work for American schools are above German ones. Though, German schools have it much easier in completing those administrative tasks/duties because the federal and state governments, as mentioned before, have worked hard to streamline bureaucratic processes, and to provide a clear and logical oversight over the applicable regulations in line with their government planning. Something that, it appears from the above quote of yours, is not the case with the American government institutions.

    Both of the above quotes underline something I have mentioned in both my previous comments in this thread: the sheer idiocy of slashing funds from/underfunding the educational system. Again, I would not blame the specific schools or their teachers, but the American government for establishing the programs and regulations it did without the appropriate funding.

    As is the case in Oregon, the German education budget is controlled by the state government and schools receive a pre-set amount of funding per student. They also receive state subsidies for lunches (and breakfasts) of students they sell on-site. Lastly, they also receive extra funding in order to accommodate mentally/physically disabled students.

    I'm sorry, but that is the definition of incompetence right there.
     
  9. Zen

    Zen Very Tilted

    Location:
    London
    There is record of such policy making having been made.

    'citation needed' for the following, which is my shaky memory of a 'History of education in England' when I did my teacher training.
    In England, somewhere between 1895 and 1905, there was a Parliamentray debate about education. A specific section of that debate was 'how can we provide enough education so people can operate these more complex machines (given the industrial revolution), but not so much that they begin thinking 'beyond their station'.
     
  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    Technically, incompetence means not having the skills to do something correctly or the ability to do so. I believe the federal government does have the skills and ability to do right by education, but that politics prevents them from doing so. If anyone is incompetent in this situation, it is politicians.
     
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  11. NetvorFena

    NetvorFena Vertical

    Location:
    Michigan
    I heard a politician today on the news who says that it was a mistake that he voted for the 'No Child Left Behind Act'. While the act has it's problems the idea of federally regulating our public school system is a good idea and IMHO necessary. As you Snowy it is a problem with politics.
     
  12. bobGandalf

    bobGandalf Vertical

    Location:
    United States
    Thanks for the tag Remixer....This looks like my cup of tea.
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    I believe teachers should be supported, and held accountable like any other professional. They should also be paid in the same salary range.

    The happiness, and pleasure I gained teaching, far outweighed the monetary deficiencies. If being rich is the most important goal in your life....teaching is not for you. It is a mentally demanding profession, but the intrinsic rewards are phenomenal. You can't beat the feeling when the "I understand now" light clicks when you are teaching a concept.
     
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