Glocks.

[ziadel]

Glocks.


Love em or hate 'em?


I think my opinion is pretty well known.

[sadistikdreams]

Love 'em.

Very solid.

[tec-9-7]

Meh. Neutral mostly. I like them better than H-K, but much less than Sig (which I seem to be able to shoot much better than any other make of automatic).

[Lebell]

Hate 'em.

A pistol that costs 4 or 5 hundred new shouldn't rattle.

[ziadel]

Originally Posted by Lebell

Hate 'em.

A pistol that costs 4 or 5 hundred new shouldn't rattle.

*shrug*

I personally wouldnt trust any pistol that did'nt rattle at least a little bit.

[Dragonknight]

Can't stand the safety, just can't stand it. Give me my Kimber any day.

[ziadel]

Originally Posted by Dragonknight

Can't stand the safety, just can't stand it. Give me my Kimber any day.

you at Camp Casey?

[Sho Nuff]

I got my old lady a glock because she had a hard time with the trigger pull on the Sig. I shot glock when I was younger and it took me a while to adjust to the pull on the Sig, but since I made the switch I will never go back.

[tec-9-7]

Originally Posted by Sho Nuff

I got my old lady a glock because she had a hard time with the trigger pull on the Sig. I shot glock when I was younger and it took me a while to adjust to the pull on the Sig, but since I made the switch I will never go back.

Was the pull too heavy or too light?

[Sho Nuff]

The pull on the Sig was too heavy for my lady so I got her a glock. The Sig has a longer trigger pull than the glock so the trigger reset length is different than the glock too. That took some getting used to when trying to rapid fire.

[Jelorian]

Love em.

Got the the M22 and the M27. Love the .40 caliber as well.

[MSD]

Of the few guns I've shot at the range, my best grouping at 25 and 50 yards was with the Glock (.45, I think it was a 21C.) Then again, I put 100 rounds through it and it jammed on the third or fourth magazine, so I'd have to do a lot more testing before I make a decision.

[Chilek9]

I think that a lot of people have nailed this one on the head. There are two kinds of people, those that know guns and those that don't. And within the group of those that know guns there are two more groups, those that love glocks and those that hate 'em. It's the whole Chevy vs Ford argument. I don't care for them for a series of reasons that are relevant to me. There are those that wouldn't buy anything else. I owned a G-23 and just didn't think it had anything on a 1911. It was better than the Beretta but I like the Sigs and H&K's better in a non-1911 gun.

[longbough]

I love Glocks but I'm polygamous in this respect. I also absolutely adore my HK USP Compact .45. I've been wanting to get a 1911 for a long time but, since I shot my buddy's full house custom Jim Jardine 1911, I can't settle for anything less in a 1911. When I can afford 3-4K for a full house custom job I'll get one ....
I also wouldn't dream of parting with my Mark 1 BHP - that's cosmetically stock but has a good trigger job, polished feed ramp and overall reliability work. The first gun I ever purchased and it shoots like a dream. So what if it's only 9mm? I love shooting it.
Then there's my S&W M-19 4" - from around 1976 when the blueing was deeper and richer - in perfect shape - sold to me by it's original owner - even had the sales receipt still inside the box! - a joy to shoot.

Shall I go on?

I haven't warmed up to SIGs much ... only because I prefer shooting SA and carrying cocked-n-locked ...

[Chilek9]

I cut my teeth on 1911's and really haven't found too much to appeal to me in anything else. Of those weapons that aren't single action, I really like the H&K's. But, like I said, everyone has their favorites. I'm one of the VERY rare people that have never had anything but trouble with revolvers (I guess I was born under a blood red moon on a Tuesday when it was raining in the Gobi or something). I think people's preferences are all based on their experience and who they knew. Personally, I HATE the tupperware guns, but that's me and YOU could be wrong!!! (dat's a joke)

[longbough]

hey, that's ok.

A lot of shooters I know and respect hate Glocks. I used to hate them too. First time I saw the Glock in the 80s I thought it was the ugliest chunk of mass manufactured equipment I ever saw.

Here's my experience with the Glock (forgive my many digressions)

Several years ago I took my first 4 day defensive handgun course at Fronsite Academy in Nevada (unfortunately right after Chuck Taylor stopped instructing there). My buddy advised me not to take my BHP (my favorite gun at the time) and let me use his brand new Glock 23 - not even fired once (now THAT'S a real friend). In my class of about 30 students I noticed that the most common handguns were 1911s and Glocks. There were a few HKs and BHPs and SIGs as well but the Glock & 1911 were in the majority. The large Glock representation shouldn't have surprised me, though, since many of the students were SWAT and other LEOs using their duty guns.

Right out of the box the Glock 23 shot consistently. I didn't have a single malfunction (no doublefeeds, stovepipes etc...). For 4 days we were hot on the range from 7am to 8pm at night with drills, Hogan's Alley, building sweep scenarios, night shoots with Rogers and Harries techniques etc. The guns were racked hard, thrown in the dirt, magazines were discarded and tossed onto the ground repeatedly for emergency reload and malfunction drills. Did I mention we were shooting all the time?

I noticed the occasional malfunction on the range - the only bad one I recall was with someone's ported SS BHP.

(As an aside: I recall one fella with his HK P7 was sheepish about letting his "precious" magazines drop free to the ground. He was taken aside and was made to realize that he ought to get used to understanding his gun (as pretty as it might be) is a simple tool and you ought to know its function and limits if you're going to depend on it.)

Since then I have taken more courses. The proportion of Glocks and 1911s is even greater in the advanced courses. I purchased my own Glock 23 and did my next 4 day course with it - completely stock and fresh out of the box, too.

I have to trust the weapon since my experience with the Glock has only been positive - and I've abused the heck out of it. I still think it's an ugly gun (and it's even uglier after all the abuse - but, of course, I keep the intertals clean and lubed) but, damn, it works well under stress.

My buddy was working on his Handgun Master Certification with his Glock 22 (you should see this guy shoot - he's like a damn robot). He's had to replace his sights twice already because they've been worn down through repeated presentations. He's the guy I mentioned with the Jardine full house custom 1911 - he's a madman with that gun, too.

Bottom line is that I like the gun...


the 1911 is another story ... another great weapon

[Chilek9]

For what it's worth, as an informed consumer, you really, really would like the new H&K P-2000. SWEET weapon, those and the USP series. I've had a recent experience in which I can HONESTLY say that these guns really can go and go and go. The hang up, of course, is their cost. I think the reason for the great popularity of the Glocks is their really reasonable cost for an effective and reliable weapon. I really believe in paying more and getting more. The difference between the $500 Glock and the $750 H&K will see me drop the extra $250 every time. I think, again, it's what our experiences are.

[Lebell]

And yet.

Glocks couldn't make the cut in the tests to replace the 1911.

Two guns did: the SIG and the Beretta. The Beretta got it because it was slightly cheaper, but alot of special forces and the Secret Service prefer and carry SIGs.

I guess I also fall into the category of willing to spend a little more for what I consider to be a better gun.

Then again, I have a Kel-Tec 9mm for concealed carry that can't hit the side of a barn...

[ziadel]

Originally Posted by Lebell

And yet.

Glocks couldn't make the cut in the tests to replace the 1911.

lets be fair here, the glock not making the cut had VERY little, strike that, it had nothing to do with the reliability or accuracy of the pistol.

the lack of a traditional safety (a army requirement) and glocks unwillingness to license out the design are what killed that gun. even if glock made changes to suit the army, they are still not willing to license out the design, thast the trump card, gaston glocks unwillingness to license out the design.



I'm not sure one was even submitted for testing...


edit: they were submitted but were eliminiated for technical reasons, which I have already illustrated

[longbough]

I've heard that argument used against Glocks before ... that they couldn't "make the cut for the US Military contract." I don't know where that myth came from. Ziadel, thanks for beating me to the punch with your post. The trials were specific about the requirement for manual safety, chromed barrel and other features. The Glock wasn't even in the running for that reason - but it's no reflection of its quality.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Glock is the best handgun made (because I don't think it is) - I just think it's a very good gun. So I don't know why Glock-haters passionately need to convince everyone that it's a terrible pistol. Especially since 90% of them have never trained with one for long enough to know.

I do love my HK USP Compact .45, too. It's a damn rugged gun and is a much better shooter than I thought it would be. Thank God I live in a time and place where I can legally own one of each (knock wood).

I guess being a Glock owner is not unlike being a Mac user (which I happen to be as well - but I also have a PC for my games). You get a lot of flak from people who hate Macs - none of whom have ever lived with one.

In fairness I'd probably sling dung at anyone singing the praises of the Beretta 92F.

[ziadel]

Originally Posted by longbough

I've heard that argument used against Glocks before ... that they couldn't "make the cut for the US Military contract." I don't know where that myth came from. Ziadel, thanks for beating me to the punch with your post. The trials were specific about the requirement for manual safety, chromed barrel and other features. The Glock wasn't even in the running for that reason - but it's no reflection of its quality.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that the Glock is the best handgun made (because I don't think it is) - I just think it's a very good gun. So I don't know why Glock-haters passionately need to convince everyone that it's a terrible pistol. Especially since 90% of them have never trained with one for long enough to know.

I do love my HK USP Compact .45, too. It's a damn rugged gun and is a much better shooter than I thought it would be. Thank God I live in a time and place where I can legally own one of each (knock wood).

I guess being a Glock owner is not unlike being a Mac user (which I happen to be as well - but I also have a PC for my games). You get a lot of flak from people who hate Macs - none of whom have ever lived with one.

In fairness I'd probably sling dung at anyone singing the praises of the Beretta 92F.

my beretta has never so much as batted an eyelash at me *shrug*
whats funny is I bought the thing for my little brother to shoot, totally ready to hate the thing for any reason I could come up with, but in reality even the backwards safety KINDA works like a normal 1911 safety thanks to the spring in there (it'll click off with a downward thumb movement.)

but in all seriousness, those army pistol tests were bullshit. I mean, they disqualified S&W because their gun did'nt have a chromed barrel, but the barrel was freaking stainless steel!


my next peice is a full size USP in .45, so I can do collateral reenactments.

[longbough]

yeah I remember the disqualification of the S&W. In typical bureaucratic fashion the army said the S&W would be admissible if S&W chromed their SS barrels just to satisfy the requirement. *sigh*

oooh - a full sized .45 USP is a pistol that's definitely in my future somewhere. Until I owned and shot my USP-C I wasn't crazy about the idea of a .45 that's larger than one ought to be. But, while it is a big gun, it's not nearly as large as I had thought - the oversized trigger guard seems to enhance the sense of bulk. And I'm willing to bet the USP is every bit as tough (and probably tougher) than my USP-C which I adore. And good choice on the .45. I wouldn't get one in any caliber smaller than that. The 12 rd magazines are a big attraction for me.

[ziadel]

big don't bother me, I'm headed to montana, no more CCW shit for me, its hanging out in the open!

[Mauser]

Love the glock, hate the grip. If only they could make them fit normal hands and such. Until then I think I'll make my next purchase an XD9.