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Old 09-16-2004, 09:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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OK so imagine you were in a shootout. you are going to be on a football field with barrels and all kinds of things to hide behind thrown about. Your enemy starts on one end of the field and you start on the other. The only weapon allowed is a pistol. What pistol would you choose and why?
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Old 09-16-2004, 09:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think a .44 magnum with a 5" barrel, and a shoulder stock if allowed.

Reach out and touch someone.

If I can't have that, then one of those automatic Glocks.
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Old 09-16-2004, 05:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I would choose a laser pistol from star trek
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Old 09-16-2004, 08:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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So, do we get reloads, or just one mag?

If it is just one mag, I would take a FN 57. 20 round mag can't do you wrong.

If just one load, a 357 revolver. S&W 686 or Taurus 66 with 6 inch barrel.

Of course the StarTrek Phaser would be good to
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Old 09-16-2004, 08:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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CZ-52, no question. Accurate, reliable, and that little bullet will punch through just about anything up to a rifle-rated vest.
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Old 09-17-2004, 02:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Given those circumstances, I'd have to say the S&W 500 10 1/2".


This pig is the closest thing to a rifle avaliable! The accuracy and stopping power should allow you to start firing effectively well before your opponent does. I've seen videos of this guy on a rifle range getting decent groups. He actually held the monster like a smg.

Also if your opponent is hiding behind a barrel or another obstacle this is the handgun that has the best chance of penetrating it and hitting him.
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Old 09-17-2004, 03:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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CZ-52, no question. Accurate, reliable, and that little bullet will punch through just about anything up to a rifle-rated vest.
I am partial to the CZ-75 myself.

Damn fine weapon.
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Old 09-17-2004, 12:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Pistol? 100yds? Remington XP-100 or T/C Contender, scoped either way. 5.56NATO is standard caliber for the XP-100 and the T/C could be had in numerous formats.

At 100yds starting distance, accuracy will beat rate of fire in teh arena of handguns. Either of the above are pretty much rifle accurate at that range, and using rifle calibers. I'd probably go for the T/C simply because it can put more serious rounds downrange easily. Something potent, but not going to be too harsh. .30-30 Winchester would work right well at those ranges, as would some of the 7mm wildcats, and neither would eat your hand.
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Old 09-18-2004, 02:30 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'm most certainly going the comedy route and voting for the Calico M100. I mean what could go wrong using this weapon at the length of a football field?



"The most interesting feature of the Calico firearms is the top-mounted, cylindrical magazine of impressive capacity. Made mostly of plastics, this magazine contains a helical guide grooves at its "inner" cylindrical wall, with the rotating central "follower", that causes the cartridges to follow the helical track inside the cylinder. The follower is operated by the spiral spring, located at the rear of the cylinder. Magazine is equipped with winding handle, so it can be stored loaded and with unwound spring, to avoid loss of spring tension during the storage time. When required, magazine spring could be quickly wound up by rotating the handle to prepare magazine for fire. Magazines for Calico guns can store 50 or 100 rounds in relatively compact packages."
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Old 09-18-2004, 09:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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If I can't reload, I'll put a 50-round magazine in a TEC 9 so I have enough rounds to blind fire a few times or take a few shots quickly.
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Old 09-22-2004, 07:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I would choose to be better trained than my opponent...
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Old 09-22-2004, 07:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm most certainly going the comedy route and voting for the Calico M100. I mean what could go wrong using this weapon at the length of a football field?



"The most interesting feature of the Calico firearms is the top-mounted, cylindrical magazine of impressive capacity. Made mostly of plastics, this magazine contains a helical guide grooves at its "inner" cylindrical wall, with the rotating central "follower", that causes the cartridges to follow the helical track inside the cylinder. The follower is operated by the spiral spring, located at the rear of the cylinder. Magazine is equipped with winding handle, so it can be stored loaded and with unwound spring, to avoid loss of spring tension during the storage time. When required, magazine spring could be quickly wound up by rotating the handle to prepare magazine for fire. Magazines for Calico guns can store 50 or 100 rounds in relatively compact packages."

I have a Calico, it's great. Large magazine, long barrel (9mm from a long barrel will give you great velocity.) It would be a good choice!
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Old 09-22-2004, 09:15 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Walther P99 .9 mm. The damn thing fits in the palm of my hand, and is one of the most dependable weapons I've ever used. Double action, light (720g unloaded!), 16 round clip, made in Germany (bad nazis, good weapons and cars), tennifer treated (just like a glock), and smooth and consistant. In this situation, you would neet to be highly mobile and able to fire while moving. You'd need a gun that is powerful, but light. Easy to use, and dependable, the P99 is the choice for a lot of military and police units (that's gotta say something about similar situations).
It's starting to sound like an essay. While this situation would be kinda scary, there'd ceritnally be a thrill involved.
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Old 09-22-2004, 10:00 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Perhaps a .44 Automag?
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Old 09-22-2004, 05:46 PM   #15 (permalink)
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500 S&W Magnum ( if limited to only one load of 5 rounds.)
8 3/8 in barrel.
Muzzle Energy of 2600ft/lb bonded with cor-bon 440 gr at 1600 fps. If anyone is standing in front of when fired. Thay will be missing a good part of there body

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Old 09-23-2004, 01:57 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Nice thing about the S&W 500 and the DE is that they make excellent blunt objects to beat your opponent if you and him run out of ammo. If there were 2 handguns that should have Bayonettes it would be these two!

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500 S&W Magnum ( if limited to only one load of 5 rounds.)
8 3/8 in barrel.
Muzzle Energy of 2600ft/lb bonded with cor-bon 440 gr at 1600 fps. If anyone is standing in front of when fired. Thay will be missing a good part of there body

or my little puppy here

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 09-23-2004, 02:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Pistol? 100yds? Remington XP-100 or T/C Contender, scoped either way. 5.56NATO is standard caliber for the XP-100 and the T/C could be had in numerous formats.

At 100yds starting distance, accuracy will beat rate of fire in teh arena of handguns. Either of the above are pretty much rifle accurate at that range, and using rifle calibers. I'd probably go for the T/C simply because it can put more serious rounds downrange easily. Something potent, but not going to be too harsh. .30-30 Winchester would work right well at those ranges, as would some of the 7mm wildcats, and neither would eat your hand.
Either would be exactly my choice, maybe in the .35 Remington caliber. Heavy enough to punch through the barrels and still have enough zip to finalize.
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Old 10-07-2004, 04:31 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Old 10-09-2004, 07:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I like the idea of the Calico. I would choose the 100 round mag instead of the 50 rounder though.
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Old 10-09-2004, 10:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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A Nuke .50 by Birdman.

What a silly question.
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Old 10-11-2004, 07:20 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Given those circumstances, I'd have to say the S&W 500 10 1/2".
Best suggestion yet!

Barring that, a Colt Python or Anaconda with a scope - pick the sod off from a distance before he can get close up. Or perhaps a Browning Hi-Power, hey, I happen to like 9mm! More penetration than a .44 or .45 means you can shoot through barrels etc. in your way.
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A Nuke .50 by Birdman.

What a silly question.
My thoughts exactly - deserves a silly answer.
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Old 10-19-2004, 05:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I think I would go with the FN 57 as well. The FN websight: "The Five-seveN Pistol is the companion weapon to the P90 sub-machine gun. The 5.7x28mm ammunition has the capability of penetrating body armor at extended ranges, yet has less felt recoil and is less prone to over-penetration. The Five-seveN Tactical is an easily concealable single action pistol with a 20-round magazine capacity. A maximum use has been made of composite materials in the frame and slide to result in an extremely light weight, 1.7 pound, design."

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Old 10-19-2004, 05:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:09 PM   #26 (permalink)
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What about an mp5k? It's the right size (although I'd love to see an MG-34"K" )
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:45 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Well, I can't make up my mind. Either that or a Glock 18 (mmm 31 shots and burst fire).
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Old 11-17-2004, 04:25 PM   #28 (permalink)
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they tried something like this about 60 years ago, it was called Normandy.


Guess who won


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Old 11-17-2004, 09:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Canada won. :P
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Old 11-18-2004, 03:58 AM   #30 (permalink)
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they tried something like this about 60 years ago, it was called Normandy.


Guess who won

Damn. That SA model is really fine. I might have to get one just to have it. SA has always put out quality stuff and that 1911 is no exception.
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Old 11-18-2004, 02:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Damn. That SA model is really fine. I might have to get one just to have it. SA has always put out quality stuff and that 1911 is no exception.


the sights are garbage (but they are supposed to be, its a WWII repro for fucks sake, what were they gonna do, put tritium dot's on em?)


the main complaints are dinged cases (its WWII vintage, they didnt lower the ejection ports back in the day) and the garbage front sight...

other than that, its rock solid reliable, and cheap.




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Canada won. :P

the only thing canada has ever won is the annual ass-clown international contest


on a serious note, the first Special Service Forces (the precursor to special forces) were comprised of Canadian and American troops... just food for thought...


of course, Canada would have stayed out of WWII if the brits hadn't twisted their arm...
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Old 11-18-2004, 05:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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the only thing canada has ever won is the annual ass-clown international contest


on a serious note, the first Special Service Forces (the precursor to special forces) were comprised of Canadian and American troops... just food for thought...


of course, Canada would have stayed out of WWII if the brits hadn't twisted their arm...
Also the only country to actually accomplish their full objectives at Normandy. :P

Yes, that is very thoughtful food.

Well the US would have stayed out of WWII if Japan hadn't bombed them, so I think your country wins the isolationist of the year award.
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Old 11-18-2004, 09:43 PM   #33 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=Suave]Also the only country to actually accomplish their full objectives at Normandy. :P
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thats not that big a deal, considering all they were expected to do was..... wait, they were'nt actually required to do anything


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yes, I thought so too


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eh, prolly not. we would have gotten fed up with hitler eventually, it would have just been a lot harder to win that war at that point...
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Old 11-18-2004, 11:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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<img src="http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/PX9105MLLarge.jpg" width=640>

I'm strongly considering getting one of these for my concealed carry weapon, so since we're on the subject of Springfield 1911's ...
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eh, prolly not. we would have gotten fed up with hitler eventually, it would have just been a lot harder to win that war at that point...
Nothing except take a beach. :P And yes, "you" would have gotten fed up with Hitler, after he took all of Europe, the UK, and Asia and you finally couldn't avoid the Third Reich anymore.
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I'm strongly considering getting one of these for my concealed carry weapon, so since we're on the subject of Springfield 1911's ...



seems to me like a CCW pistol would be better off without the light rail...


just something else to snag on the draw, just my 2 cents...
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