arawn

Brother, don't I wish!





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mbaha

AK-47 based on kill record alone

daswig

If that's your criteria (total numbers killed) I'm thinking it would go to the Maxim/Vickers series of weapons.

Hazzan2004

The Heckler & Koch G 36 is my favourite rifle right now. The versatility, weight and firepower is good for any kind of use.

NavySEAL

I love Heckler & Koch weapons. And the one on the bottom looks like the one from HL2...

Blistex

You know. . . about 75% of the said weapons in this thread are not in fact rifles. Sure they are "assault rifles" but I don't believe that is what the thread author had in mind.

Also there are a lot of SMG's and machine guns cropping up as well.

arawn

"Rifle From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A rifle is any long gun which has a rifled barrel. A rifled barrel incorporates two or more helical grooves in its bore which impart a spin upon the projectile (usually a bullet) as it travels down the barrel. The angular momentum thereby imparted to the projectile partially insulates it from certain aerodynamic forces which would otherwise cause it to deviate more substantially from a straight path. The consequent gyroscopic stability allows for much greater accuracy, and therefore, effective range, than would otherwise be attainable through the use of a non-rifled barrel, such as that in a musket or shotgun."


A rifle is a rifle is a rifle.
"Assault" rifles are generally light calibur military rifles such as the AR and AK families.
"Battle" rifles are sometimes segregated off being chambered in heavy rounds (308, 30.06).
However, these categories are both contrived and highly subjective. They, like bolt-actions, singleshots, or semi-auto hunters, are all rifles.

Now I will agree that submachineguns (selectfire and chambered in pistol caliburs) are different. As are machineguns, which could be argued to be distinct from rifles in the conventional understanding of the word by their role (support). There are many firerms that blend these categories, especially as one looks at older examples.

My point is simply that "assault rifles" are rifles.

Now as to the thread starter's intent, I can't say.
If we were only discussing semi-only rifles, I'd say the WA-2000 in 300wm.
If we were only discussing bolt-action rifles, hands down the Steyr scout in 308NATO.

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Blistex

According to Wikipedia this would count as a rifle!


Don't be a technicality twat!

arawn

Touche.


Although as I went on to say, I wasn't disagreeing with you per se.
I was simply pointing out that the distinction between a rifle and an "assault rifle" seems a tenuous one at best.

The thread poster sited an M-1 Garand, what would generally be considered a semi-auto battle rifle, which was succeeded by the M14 with select-fire capabilities. Understanding the objection to machineguns and sub-guns, I am just wondering how the civilian FALs and even the grossly over-priced PSG-1 (also semi-only) are more of assault rifle-like than the two first posts.


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daswig

blistex, technically not. That's not a shoulder-fired weapon, and all rifles must be made in a shoulder-firing configuration, per BATFE. Iff'n you want to get technical, a rifle is a shoulder fired firearm with a bore diameter of .50 or less that has a barrel length of at least 16 inches and an overall length of 28 inches (I think, but could be wrong, since OAL isn't something that's normally a problem unless you've got the barrel short enough for it to be NFA)

Suave

Apparently the M-4 has a LOT of problems though, at least compared to the M-16. Accuracy (which is to be expected), noise, flash, etc. (some of that might just be the commando version)

My vote goes to the G3, not only because it was a great gun for its time, but spawned a huge number of successful weapons (such at the MP-5 series, HK-53, MSG-90/PSG-1, and HK-33).

tropple

So those Kentucky long rifles aren't really rifles then. ;-)

They must really be parrots or african swallows.

You have to be careful not to confuse caliber with barrel diameter. The 16-inch/50 caliber Mark 7's on US Navy battleships are commonly referred to as "rifles" in most documentation.

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Blistex

Moron!

If you don't know why I just gave you this title then you truly deserve it. Re-read my last post and tell me why your post I just quoted is moot.

NavySEAL

, Aren't you supposed to be able to hold the rifle though?

tropple

Well, maybe. But how often does anyone hold up Barret heavy? Just lay it on the bag and pull the trigger, right? ;-)

Poor, Daswig. Hehehehhe. Get 'em Blistex!

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Blistex

I never once said that I believed the 80cm German Dora cannon would qualify as a rifle in anyone's mind. What I did say is that under Wikipedia's loose guidelines it would qualify. Therefore I was showing that using a Wikipedia definition is not always the upper hand.


Is there anything that says that a Rifle must be hand held? Or even under 500 tons?

arawn

Well...if we ignored the phrase "long gun", that cannon (assuming it's barrel were rifled would definitely fit that admittedly loose definition.

My initial reply to Blistex wasn't intended to set the thread on a arguing over descriptions. I was trying to understand the objection to "assault rifles" in a Favorite rifle thread.

I apologize for including the scandelous definition that sidetracked this thread.



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arawn

The phrase long arm (like the phrase small arm) is generally used to describe firearms which are shoulderable.

But again, while understanding your objection to sub-guns and machineguns, I was simply trying to understand your distinction b/t rifles and assault rifles.

Come on folks, let's all be friends,
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Suave

I was under the impression that calibre was generally equivalent to inner barrel diametre. I don't see what good it would do one to have, for example, a .75 inch diametre barrel, firing .5 inch bullets, since that would make the weapon inaccurate as all hell.