Shotgun or M16
 

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What are you going to be doing?? Target shooting ?? or home protection??

Home protection

Home protection = shotgun

with a stack of dimes

an m16 (ar-15 in civilian version) or other military style weapon is useless for home defense.

The shorty or CAR or m4 I think they're calling it now is a decent (not excellent but decent) CQB weapon...but you must train and know how to use it effectively. It takes at minmun 10000 rounds through the muzzle to become proficient enough to be considered mediocre.

cheers,

-bear

DO I STRESS the train train train train train train thing enough :) Just want to be sure.

For home protection you definently want the shotty, aka noob cannon. The noob cannon works great. All you have to do is aim in the general direction pull the trigger and somebody gets a big hole in them.

I prefer the double barrel 12 guage remington as my choice of noob cannon. It can put holes the size of a football in a car door.

Shotgun for Home Defense, no brainer there.

Why?
Shotguns aren't going to go thru all the walls in your house and kill the neighbors kid.

That M16 or M4 round will go thru a cinderblock wall or two and kill the neighbor for sure.

Ammo?
Double 00 Buckshot, 9 .38 caliber balls of screaming hot lead drops anyone, even with Kevlar. With Kevlar they live while their ribs all heal, no Kevlar is a certain body bag.
Birdshot will just piss them off, Slugs will also kill your neighbor.

Training?
I firmly believe anyone who wants to own a gun needs training. Check your local Gun ranges for firearms training classes. A Concealed Carry class is also good because they discuss the laws regarding ownership and use of firearms.

m16 would be imtimitating but shotgun for fucking up the burgalar

The sound of a 12 guage being racked is very loud in a quiet house.

Very scary too.

I ditto the shot gun.

Cheers guys, Much help thankyou! I have decided to go for a sawn off shotty though, More effect.

Possesion of an unregistered sawed-off shot gun is a felony. Be very careful with that decision. While possible to register one the likely hood of this happening is very slim. Especially if you all ready own the weapon (since it is unregistered it is contraband).

I know the answer is obvious, but the first answer that came to my mind is what is the range of the target.

buts it for his house no?Not much range would be needed unless he lives in a mansion with acres for a backyard

hrmm.. for home protection.. i think a desert eagle will do 4 me..
but between those 2.. i chose the m16.. less messy.. dont want the blown out brains to splatter all over your house do u? ;)

Ok, for home defense, the verdict is in: Go with the shotgun. If you have to protect a ranch or something that requires the ability to hit long range targets, then go w/ the rifle.

Damn straight. A friend of mine woke me up like that one time. Was not a fun experience. Scared the piss outta me.

add a pointless laser sight for the sheer point of laughter and insanity

Mine fields work much better

I second the shotgun as well.

Also, another thing which could play a difference (it did for me), is where you live and the accessibility to ranges. The range I usually shoot at is just fine with shotgun rounds, but isn't too keen on rifle rounds at all. And since you want to train with it as often as possible, make sure you can. :)

You probably sleep too heavy, anyway :).

For home defense, the shotgun is hard to beat. The sound has a definite psychological effect, and there is less chance of a stray round getting outside of your property. Remember, when you pull that trigger, you are responsible for where that round goes. Its best if it does not go into the neighbor kid, or your own.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Since when does a shotgun have to be registered in the fucking USA????? Handguns only as far as I know...

He means not registered as an NFA Short Barreled Weapon.

Note: SBWs are expensive to buy (requiring a $200 tax stamp), but you can own a shotgun with a short barrel for only a $5 tax stamp if it does not have a stock, as it is just an "Any Other Weapon" at that point. Cheers!

thx for the advice, i didnt start this but there has been some really usefull info.. and in my opinion go with the shotgun, especially since your probably going to get robbed at night (your going have alot of fun trying to aim your rifle in the dark )

it would depend on the situation!

Oh Jesus, where to start.

First, a Shotgun is at just as much risk to penetrate as say, a 9mm or an M995 AP round when it comes to dry wall.

Second, an M-16 or AK-47 or other such weapon, works just fine for home defense, considering that each shot can be used to precise effect, or you could go all out with a high volume of fire, eliminating multiple attackers.

Third, a 5.56 SS-109, or, what is more likely to be used in home defense, soft-grained M-193, is likely to completely destabilize and break up on impact with cynderblock (or veer off in a random direction shedding enough velocity and mass to be relatively harmless. M855, or SS109, is NOT armor piercing, despite what some gun rags say. It has a steel penetrator tip for use in the SAW, but it doesn't actually have such increased terminal ballistics as to have a justifiably different applied value in defense terms. In short, it's just expensive M-193 with a pickier rifling twist.

There are cases of armored assailants who got up immediately after taking a #00 pattern shot to the chest, and blew the defender away while he was working the pump, so it doesn't always work.

A Short-Barreled full-auto is an interesting prospect, such as the HK MP-7, which is designed for ranges like where home Defense typically occurs. Overall, I'd go with a PDW.

Now, given I don't know much about the layout of your home (someone I've talked to has the kind of home where a Shotgun would NOT be the ideal weapon) I'd have to say, in general you're better off with a shotgun, loaded with a tight pattern, and a good, 18" barrel. So #00 and 18" might work to good fitting, but you need to get used to the weapon first. Now, supposing you had a large home, or one with an open layout (a relatively small home might be 100 feet or more from one point to another) and I'd rather give a man a good semi-auto and soft-tips and make a mess of the assailant.

Shotgun is the way to go for home protection. A M16 as are most high power rifles, bad choices. Why... putting out a high power round in a house.....you'll end up shooting through several walls and hitting one of those 'loved ones' of yours in their bedroom on the other side of the house. Use a shotgun which has much more energy at close range, has the great "intimidation" factor, and won't go through half a dozen walls hitting someone on accident

Shotgun, hands down! If you have the ability to know someone is going to break into your house and you can plan ahead, by all means, get the AR-15 and hide behind your dresser and blow the burgler away (after a few cups of coffee to wake up). But if, like most people, you're awakened from a deep slumber and your scared shitless by the noise in the other room, there's no better (or easier) weapon to use than a shotgun! Simply pick it up, pump a round into the chamber, and shoot (even from the hip) at anything that walks through your bedroom door. Can't argue with that one!

Several people have suggested the 00 buckshot, but you might want to look at Death in the Silent Places, by Peter Hathaway Capstick. He used single ought for wounded leopards because more lead fit in a shell, and more muzzle energy could be expelled. The range would usually be less than 30 feet, and his shotgun would ram the shell into the firing pin every pump if the trigger was held down. It is a very good writeup, and the book covers other ammo as well as his great stories.

Look at what a SWAT team uses ARs and MPs not shotguns shotguns penetrate the hell out of drywall especially 00 Buck. for you home defense use a pistol so you can move and keep it close to you, also look at specialty ammo for non-penetration i.e. Glasser's with Gel ansd Shot filled a close second, Shotguns are great if your attacking a house instead of protecting one a shotgun is made to kill everbody in a room, not always a great plan in your own house. If for no other reason than it pisses the wife off!

use the shotgun with a little buckshot

There are a lot of great resources on the subject. I am a fairly good shot with a handgun but I got the shotgun for a few reasons.
1. Accuracy is much less important
2. Proper shell will not penetrate walls (fuck the neighbors..I got kids)
3. Lebell is RIGHT ON about the Rack. The sound of that will send almost any thief running.

if you have that sawed off and dont have a " form 1 " to go along with it..

immeditly seperate the bbl from the reciver.. like right now.. !!!!!! do not keep it in the same house.

you can still register the sawed off as a short barrled rifle if no one knows you have it yet.

how.. ?
go here.. www.titleII.com

down load the form titled " FORM 1" - application to make and register a firearm- < since it has it stock the tax will be $200 the AOW tax of $5 will never apply this firearm again. >

fill out .., the most important part will be getting your local chief law enforement officer to sign off on it..passport photos and fingerprints..

if your local " CLEO " will not sign .. and you already own the weapon.. contact me by email.. I will help you with the "other" ways to do it..

I can NOT STRESS ENOUNH if you own the weapon with out a form 1.. do NOT KEPT THE BBL AND REC. as one part for now.. < not even in the same house>


about the commet about not having to register a shot gun.. any shotty with a bbl lenth of UNDER 18" MUST be be reqistered as an NFA weapon < National Firearms act of '34 >

son... the ATF has a perment hardon for this $hit.. and they dont slap people on the hand for it!
< BUBBA will puke you in the ass for 10 years.. simply is NOT worth it>


"whats a form 1 you ask? maybe i do have it and I dont know it"

if you didnt pay the $200 tax < on top of the purchase price>.. wait at least three months.. recive a stamp the intead of 33 ¢'s says ATF $200 tax stamp NFA.. you are in possision of contraband.

all hope is not lost yet.. you can still get this fixed..