Interesting Cop/Open Carry interaction on video. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Borla · 07-22-2011, 04:41 AM

You see lots of these posted that are made to putt egg on LEOs faces for not knowing or enforcing the laws properly. The cop's actions in this one are pretty stellar, and if anything the guy Open Carrying looks foolish IMO for not extending the same respect that he's getting shown by the officer.

‪Oceanside open carry‬&rlm; - YouTube

KirStang · 07-22-2011, 05:15 AM

Very professional, shows how good law enforcement can be stellar.

ChrisJericho · 07-22-2011, 05:54 AM

It's refreshing to see an encounter where the officer actually knows the laws he is supposed to enforce. I'm not a fan of open carry because I want the element of surprise and I don't like attracting attention to myself, but given how the officer mentions youtube maybe these open carriers are actually accomplishing something.

However I do find it strange that the officer is former military, and I assume took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, yet he is enforcing laws that ensure citizens are forced to be disarmed in public.

Oh well, I'll just stay out of California.

KirStang · 07-22-2011, 06:18 AM

Eh, as niner says, we're only there to enforce the decisions of the higher ups. The Rkba in public is still winding its way through courts so it isn't per se unconstitutional.

Borla · 07-22-2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisJericho

However I do find it strange that the officer is former military, and I assume took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, yet he is enforcing laws that ensure citizens are forced to be disarmed in public.

Also as designated by our Constitution, that's for the Judicial Branch to sort out, not a police officer making a personal call on the street.

KirStang · 07-22-2011, 09:28 AM

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Also as designated by our Constitution, that's for the Judicial Branch to sort out, not a police officer making a personal call on the street.

Although Article III mentions jurisdiction "arising under the Constitution," it isn't strictly delegated in our Constitution. The Supreme Court made a power grab very very early on in our Nation's history, thus designating themselves as the ultimate arbiters of the Constitution. The tradition has been respected since. Very shrewd move.

See: Marbury v. Madison

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison

Borla · 07-22-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by KirStang

Although Article III mentions jurisdiction "arising under the Constitution," it isn't strictly delegated in our Constitution. The Supreme Court made a power grab very very early on in our Nation's history, thus designating themselves as the ultimate arbiters of the Constitution. The tradition has been respected since. Very shrewd move.

See: Marbury v. Madison

Marbury v. Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But the legal precedent in this country is for the judicial branch to review and disqualify laws, not for law enforcement officers to do so.

As much as people whine about what cops do now, it would be exponentially worse if we also had individual officers deciding on their own what was Constitutional and what wasn't.

Plan9 · 07-22-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Borla

But the legal precedent in this country is for the judicial branch to review and disqualify laws, not for law enforcement officers to do so.

As much as people whine about what cops do now, it would be exponentially worse if we also had individual officers deciding on their own what was Constitutional and what wasn't.

Newsflash: Police officer discretion, the single most dynamic part of law enforcement, isn't written into the Constitution.

That and the Constitution has little relevance given the incredible bulk of standing local, state and federal laws in existence.

Anybody that mentions the fucking Constitution in a 2011 RKBA debate might as well wear a "Don't Tread On Me" t-shirt.

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Edit:

The opposite side of the coin:

Ohio Police Officer Threatens to Kill CCW Holder at Traffic Stop

Ilow · 07-22-2011, 04:47 PM

Wow that first officer was unbelievably professional, I would buy that guy a beer 10 times out of 10. And the second one, frankly sends shivers up my spine.

KirStang · 07-22-2011, 06:12 PM

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Wow that first officer was unbelievably professional, I would buy that guy a beer 10 times out of 10. And the second one, frankly sends shivers up my spine.

....That second officer....What the fuck?

Unbelievably unprofessional.

dksuddeth · 07-23-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Borla

But the legal precedent in this country is for the judicial branch to review and disqualify laws, not for law enforcement officers to do so.

As much as people whine about what cops do now, it would be exponentially worse if we also had individual officers deciding on their own what was Constitutional and what wasn't.

can you tell me what the ratification date was for the constitution that was written by the supreme court?

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Anybody that mentions the fucking Constitution in a 2011 RKBA debate might as well wear a "Don't Tread On Me" t-shirt.

Did we decide to throw the constitution away after the civil war or something?

if so, someone forgot to tell me.

Borla · 07-23-2011, 04:11 PM

I guess maybe we need to move this into Tilted Paranoia if we keep going down this path.

I was more referring to the accepted laws of the land as currently practiced, not personal interpretations of how they should be.

KirStang · 07-23-2011, 06:48 PM

Meh, I'm just pointing things out. If you're going to bullshit on the internet, you might as well know what you're talking about.

Plan9 · 07-24-2011, 07:07 AM

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Did we decide to throw the constitution away after the civil war or something? if so, someone forgot to tell me.

Where this is going eventually... I'll get right to it.

07-22-2011, 05:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	It's refreshing to see an encounter where the officer actually knows the laws he is supposed to enforce. I'm not a fan of open carry because I want the element of surprise and I don't like attracting attention to myself, but given how the officer mentions youtube maybe these open carriers are actually accomplishing something. However I do find it strange that the officer is former military, and I assume took an oath to support and defend the Constitution, yet he is enforcing laws that ensure citizens are forced to be disarmed in public. Oh well, I'll just stay out of California. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

07-22-2011, 04:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ilow Junkie Location: Pats country	Wow that first officer was unbelievably professional, I would buy that guy a beer 10 times out of 10. And the second one, frankly sends shivers up my spine. __________________ "Religion is the one area of our discourse in which it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about" --Sam Harris

07-23-2011, 04:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
Borla Junkie	I guess maybe we need to move this into Tilted Paranoia if we keep going down this path. I was more referring to the accepted laws of the land as currently practiced, not personal interpretations of how they should be. __________________ Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde!!!!