When SHTF and WROL it's TEOTWAWKI! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Plan9 · 10-18-2010, 06:57 AM

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As long as the human race has grasped the concept of time it has been widely believed that it's just about to run out, typically sometime in the next 0-3 years. You will remember in your lifetime Y2k, Y2k again in 2001, Christ about to come back every few years or so then a re-translation saying it's actually going to be a few more years, etc. Now we are approaching 2012, and with global temperatures rising by tenths of degrees and currency values dropping whole percentage points it really seems as the apocalypse is indeed upon us. With the earthquake in Haiti this week, the message is becoming clearer and clearer: if you don't horde guns, ammo, and lots of tactical gear you will be destroyed. By what we don't know, but surely the only thing that could possibly save you will be your Yugo SKS, some paracord, and those pants Bear Grylls wears.

This is the "SHTF" mentality, and once again it's sweeping all sorts of walks of life, but few embrace it as much as the gun enthusiast community. Before we look into the behavior and reasoning behind this, let's establish a few groups within the community itself. The first and usually most vocal are people suffering from what I call RDC or Red Dawn Complex. These people are normally brushed aside in their normal lives, often ignored or thought odd, but when SHTF these people will rise up to save the people who once looked down on them. They will see that girl who always snickered at them in high school being attacked by looters and save her, but no she can't come with your posse; that is reserved for your 2 also awkward friends and those 2 quiet girls who dressed conservatively but clean up to be incredibly hot, and also are deadly when it's called for. If S does HTF, there will be much fighting amongst RDC sufferers, mostly because there are too many of them and two few quiet but hot 16-25 year old female killing machines.

The second is the loner, similar to the RDCers, but instead of becoming the hero he will funnel his societal anger into villainy. He will see many opportunities to save the ones who weren't as smart and prepared as him, but not take them, he will just laugh. The loner and the RDCer will both have similar gear, most with an SKS or AK, a few survival knives, a tactical vest and lots of ACU camo. Some with wealthier parents may have an AR or even an R700 with lots of optics and toys, as their plan is typically to barricade the top of a building and shoot their enemies from a long range. This is sometimes categorized as a different affliction, DotDD, or Dawn of the Dead Disorder. Regardless of specifics, all of these groups will see a spending breakdown like this: 70% guns, 20% gun accessories and ammo, 10% tactical gear.

The next group is quite different from the first, and is the Weird Survivalist Guy. Though they are also quite interested in guns as well, they are also interested in everything else possibly related to survival, and their SHTF stash will be quite varied from one found in the first two groups. These people truly believe the world is ending and are not just kidding themselves into it as a way to allow themself to use their whole paycheck on ammo. In fact some of these people are so consumed by the idea they actually work very hard to afford a lot of their "needs," which range from mere 10 year supplies of MREs all the way to fortified bomb shelters with oxygen recirculation and water filtration systems. These people are easiest to spot at gun shows where they will be there at opening time with large carts, buying 20,000 rounds of 7.62x39 and bullet-proof vests sized for their whole family. A notable sub-group to the Weird Survivalist Guy is the Wildman, who plans on going into the mountains with only what he can carry on his back and some kind of folding rifle and living there for years. Instead of concentrating on massive caches these people will be more interested on the new lightest knife or compass, will talk to you for 2 hours about living "off-grid" and ALWAYS have a large beard.

The one thing that is apparent is all of these people are either a bit delusional, or can't find any other escape from a mundane life and need a fantasy to hold on to. Though people are quick to point out Haiti and Katrina, not only are gun caches not going to help in these kind of situations, there are many other better solutions to avoid these problems. The most obvious is not living in an area that is likely to become a problem. If you truly believe something bad will happen, you are probably going to be better off living in Montana than living in Los Angeles and planning on fending for yourself. Even with no choice, what are 5000 rounds of Mk 262 going to accomplish? The biggest concern in a natural disaster is going to be clean water, which you can't shoot. The next is food, which you can hunt for, but probably isn't going to be feasible unless you already live in an area where you hunt regularly now. Shelter is the last, but it's probably a better idea to own a cheap tent and sleeping bag and use those rather than shooting someone and taking their house.

Let's suppose a SHTF scenario actually is going to arise, one that leaves most of the world in disrepair, but leaves most people alive (not an asteroid, solar flare, etc.). What could do this I don't know but this is what would have to happen to fulfill most apocalypse fans fantasy, as an earthquake or hurricane affecting only part of a first world country is going to get cleaned up reasonably quickly. The main thing that would account for societal collapse would be the sudden disappearance of communication. So who will fare well? The best off will be well organized groups such as churches. Not only do these people know each other well they also have diverse skills and are used to meeting and communicating in an organized fashion, as well as having the added morale boost of their belief an invisible hand is helping them. Hospital staffs, police and fire stations will also be in a good position as they also spend a lot of time together and have helpful skills. The worst off will be the people who we discussed earlier, who don't work well in groups. Now not only are they those weird guys, they are those weird guys that are now dressed up and armed, and will likely be forced to give up their guns before the church or other group agrees to save them from starvation.

You may be thinking now "but what can I do to help prepare for impending doom that doesn't involve learning basic social skills?" Let's look at some things that actually can help you. For skills, the most valuable by far is medical. A single cut without care could become infected and kill you, and is 100x more of a threat than crazed looters. Another good thing to know if you want to maintain your health and be strong enough is how to make food and knowing at least a little nutritional information. Mechanical inclination is good, if you can get an old diesel generator or a car to run you will have power and heat, which will solve a lot of your problems. One thing that's often overlooked as it's not as fun as buying guns is fitness. Not only is it essential to your health, you can't offer much help to anyone or yourself if you are out of shape, making things hard on yourself and making you undesirable to any group.

You still have to buy SOMETHING to put in your basement, so what might you need? Some way to make clean water, you can boil it but it takes a while and there are some lightweight filters that should do you alright. Medicine is big, antibiotics, painkillers, anything you might normally take for whatever condition you have, this is always overlooked and will be hard to come by if supply lines are cut off. There's nothing wrong with stockpiling ammo, but you are much more likely to use it as currency than fending off waves of zombies or Russian invaders.

The bottom line is it's incredibly unlikely something will happen in such a way where you are going to be alone against the world, and if you are your problems will be much greater than running out of ammo, as the will to go on, feeding yourself, etc. are going to be weighing a bit heavier on your mind. If you've watched so many zombie movies and history channel Nostradamus specials that you absolutely feel you have to prepare, start by getting yourself in good shape and reading as much as you can about anything you might need to know, rather than concentrating on saving your paychecks for an ACOG. And if anything is to happen, remember above all else not to come to my stronghold: the laser system will pick you up immediately and a quiet and awkward yet attractive 18 year old girl will pick you off with my .338 Lapua Mag.

So... which one are you?

Xerxys · 10-18-2010, 07:48 AM

WTF is this thread about?

KirStang · 10-18-2010, 08:01 AM

Does this mean the plain looking girls I study with won't suddenly become hot when they strap on leather tights and a M4/M203 combo?

I'm so disappointed

dksuddeth · 10-18-2010, 08:10 AM

oh dear, yet another blogger spiel depicting anyone who has serious considerations for survival in the event of some catastrophe as an exercise in self reliance as some sort of kook. thanks crompsin

kramus · 10-18-2010, 08:11 AM

I'm sort of an ostrich. Not liking to put my head in dark places (honey, hand me the flashlight) I tend more towards enjoying the transitory fripperies, funfests and flights of fancy that life avails, while performing the day-to-day mundanities and luvin' my Lady. If SHTF I'll die off within 10 to 14 days, leaving my emaciated, poorly dressed corpse outside of some stronghold of farsighted and useful folk. I will act as a dismal warning to other wandering grasshoppers that the ants inside those high walls are cold, calculating bastards who intend to survive and repopulate the world in their own image.

Meanwhile I continue to do my art and go out for gelatto and watch SYTYCD and hang out on teh intrawebz.

Jinn · 10-18-2010, 08:16 AM

haha love it - turns out the best end of the world plan is to stockpile medical supplies, not guns. Healing people makes a hell of a lot more friends than shooting people or threatening people ever did. And plus, you can eat them when things turn to shit because they trust the 'doctor'.

Baraka_Guru · 10-18-2010, 08:44 AM

You'd think that you can't eat ammo or use guns to protect yourself from the elements.

I think I'm one of those weird survivalist guys. Except I have no mountains to go to. Instead it will be somewhere in Northern Ontario atop the Great Canadian Shield, where I'll be living off of roots, bark, berries, fish, and moose meat.

For you Americans, picture the size of the American land mass but with 10% of the population. That's Canada, except 90% of us are living close to the border. When the SHTF, we just go north.

Plan9 · 10-18-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

oh dear, yet another blogger spiel depicting anyone who has serious considerations for survival in the event of some catastrophe as an exercise in self reliance as some sort of kook.

I see the point of article escapes you completely as you stare down from atop your fortress of loaded AK mags. DK is my Wildman.

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Originally Posted by Jinn

haha love it - turns out the best end of the world plan is to stockpile medical supplies, not guns. Healing people makes a hell of a lot more friends than shooting people or threatening people ever did. And plus, you can eat them when things turn to shit because they trust the 'doctor'.

...this doesn't mean that you should let your girlfriend keep you from storing ammo in the house.

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Originally Posted by Xerxys

WTF is this thread about?

Shut the fuck up, Donny. You're outta your element.

genuinegirly · 10-18-2010, 09:33 AM

Seeds. Seeds and fertile soil. What does that make me?

Plan9 · 10-18-2010, 09:50 AM

Mormon? Hah. I kid. Actually, my exwife once accused me of being Mormon due to my emergency preparedness ethic.

The_Jazz · 10-18-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Mormon? Hah. I kid. Actually, my exwife once accused me of being Mormon due to my emergency preparedness ethic.

That and your habit of wearing funny underwear. And referring to yourself as God's prophet.

My plan is to have just enough gas to get my squalling brood to Plan9's house along with a bag of Baked Cheetos and most of a case of beer.

Baraka_Guru · 10-18-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

My plan is to have just enough gas to get my squalling brood to Plan9's house along with a bag of Baked Cheetos and most of a case of beer.

It won't be quite that bad. Our rendezvous point is just over the Ontario/Minnesota border. Well, that's for the zombie apocalypse, but I'm sure our plan could be customized for other contingencies.

dksuddeth · 10-18-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

I see the point of article escapes you completely as you stare down from atop your fortress of loaded AK mags.

I should be that lucky.

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Originally Posted by Plan9

DK is my Wildman.

just remember, you're the master of the mechanical stuff and I'll shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more and then when everybody's dead try to ask a question or two.

ChrisJericho · 10-18-2010, 05:40 PM

I agree with the general premise of this guy's ramble. In most emergency situations water, a way to generate heat, food, and medical supplies ARE more important than guns. However, if one goes to the effort to collect the aforementioned supplies it is only logical to have a way to defend those resources so the first baddie coming along armed with a Victorinox pocket knife doesn't take them from you.

And of course the fitness aspect is also huge. As has been mentioned in some other threads, a sizable chunk of the "gun community" is obese. If residential electricity/natural gas broke down, I doubt many of these people would have the fitness to even chop down a tree in their backyard for fire wood.

However the author forgot the "Gold Bug" category. This kind of person believes that by hording yellow pieces of metal that they will able to handle any emergency situation.

longbough · 11-07-2010, 06:26 AM

So the fundamental premise of this article is that, if you're a gun owner, you necessarily fall within one of the writer's categorizations. The writer is only demonstrating his ignorance about gun owners and the gun owning community. It's like listening to a white supremist give their opinion on categories of black people. I don't think the writer even knows any gun owners.

And why do folks like this assume that gun owners with a "SHTF" mentality have no other interest than firearms? If you take a look at survivalist forums you'd see they focus more on finding and sustaining resources. The majority of them also presume you understand the role of firearms within a survival scenario.

For the record I don't believe an apocalypse is around the corner. I arm myself for the here and now - also because it happens to be a hobby of mine. I harbor no delusions about fighting off the masses or rescuing someone. I'm a board certified Internal Medicine physician. I'm published and used to be a member of the Brown University faculty. I'd like to think I have a relatively realistic view of the world. The writer's characterizations strike me as a high schooler's caricature drawn from high school experience.

Plan9 · 11-07-2010, 06:31 AM

Or maybe it's satire.

longbough · 11-07-2010, 06:55 AM

After the first cursory read I misunderstood his point. I get it now.

Plan9 · 11-07-2010, 07:09 AM

Care to explain it for the rest of the class? Some of the other users are butthurt.

monkeysugar · 11-11-2010, 02:05 AM

I found this to be extremely amusing, while being quite accurate. A shining example of satire at its best.

genuinegirly · 11-11-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Plan9

Mormon? Hah. I kid.

Or a Botanist?

Plan9 · 11-11-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by genuinegirly

Or a Botanist?

Say what? I'm lost. Nobody confuses me for a botanist. You're the botanist, right?

genuinegirly · 11-11-2010, 08:04 AM

Yeah, I guess I quoted too much there. I edited it to make more sense.
Now you... you've just seen too many zombie / post-apocalyptic movies.

Plan9 · 11-11-2010, 08:06 AM

That would imply that I'm satiated. Such is not the case. I want more. Gimmie MORE.

10-18-2010, 08:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
KirStang Future Bureaucrat	Does this mean the plain looking girls I study with won't suddenly become hot when they strap on leather tights and a M4/M203 combo? I'm so disappointed Last edited by KirStang; 10-18-2010 at 08:08 AM..

10-18-2010, 08:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	oh dear, yet another blogger spiel depicting anyone who has serious considerations for survival in the event of some catastrophe as an exercise in self reliance as some sort of kook. thanks crompsin __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

10-18-2010, 08:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I'm sort of an ostrich. Not liking to put my head in dark places (honey, hand me the flashlight) I tend more towards enjoying the transitory fripperies, funfests and flights of fancy that life avails, while performing the day-to-day mundanities and luvin' my Lady. If SHTF I'll die off within 10 to 14 days, leaving my emaciated, poorly dressed corpse outside of some stronghold of farsighted and useful folk. I will act as a dismal warning to other wandering grasshoppers that the ants inside those high walls are cold, calculating bastards who intend to survive and repopulate the world in their own image. Meanwhile I continue to do my art and go out for gelatto and watch SYTYCD and hang out on teh intrawebz. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

10-18-2010, 08:16 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	haha love it - turns out the best end of the world plan is to stockpile medical supplies, not guns. Healing people makes a hell of a lot more friends than shooting people or threatening people ever did. And plus, you can eat them when things turn to shit because they trust the 'doctor'. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

10-18-2010, 08:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	You'd think that you can't eat ammo or use guns to protect yourself from the elements. I think I'm one of those weird survivalist guys. Except I have no mountains to go to. Instead it will be somewhere in Northern Ontario atop the Great Canadian Shield, where I'll be living off of roots, bark, berries, fish, and moose meat. For you Americans, picture the size of the American land mass but with 10% of the population. That's Canada, except 90% of us are living close to the border. When the SHTF, we just go north. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

10-18-2010, 07:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Xerxys Junkie Location: My head.	WTF is this thread about?

10-18-2010, 09:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	Seeds. Seeds and fertile soil. What does that make me? __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

10-18-2010, 09:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Mormon? Hah. I kid. Actually, my exwife once accused me of being Mormon due to my emergency preparedness ethic. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

10-18-2010, 05:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	I agree with the general premise of this guy's ramble. In most emergency situations water, a way to generate heat, food, and medical supplies ARE more important than guns. However, if one goes to the effort to collect the aforementioned supplies it is only logical to have a way to defend those resources so the first baddie coming along armed with a Victorinox pocket knife doesn't take them from you. And of course the fitness aspect is also huge. As has been mentioned in some other threads, a sizable chunk of the "gun community" is obese. If residential electricity/natural gas broke down, I doubt many of these people would have the fitness to even chop down a tree in their backyard for fire wood. However the author forgot the "Gold Bug" category. This kind of person believes that by hording yellow pieces of metal that they will able to handle any emergency situation. __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

11-07-2010, 06:26 AM	#15 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	So the fundamental premise of this article is that, if you're a gun owner, you necessarily fall within one of the writer's categorizations. The writer is only demonstrating his ignorance about gun owners and the gun owning community. It's like listening to a white supremist give their opinion on categories of black people. I don't think the writer even knows any gun owners. And why do folks like this assume that gun owners with a "SHTF" mentality have no other interest than firearms? If you take a look at survivalist forums you'd see they focus more on finding and sustaining resources. The majority of them also presume you understand the role of firearms within a survival scenario. For the record I don't believe an apocalypse is around the corner. I arm myself for the here and now - also because it happens to be a hobby of mine. I harbor no delusions about fighting off the masses or rescuing someone. I'm a board certified Internal Medicine physician. I'm published and used to be a member of the Brown University faculty. I'd like to think I have a relatively realistic view of the world. The writer's characterizations strike me as a high schooler's caricature drawn from high school experience. __________________ "I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence. Thus when my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that it was his duty to defend me even by using violence." - Mahatma Ghandi Last edited by longbough; 11-07-2010 at 06:35 AM..

11-07-2010, 06:31 AM	#16 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Or maybe it's satire. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-07-2010, 06:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	After the first cursory read I misunderstood his point. I get it now. __________________ "I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence. Thus when my eldest son asked me what he should have done, had he been present when I was almost fatally assaulted in 1908, whether he should have run away and seen me killed or whether he should have used his physical force which he could and wanted to use, and defended me, I told him that it was his duty to defend me even by using violence." - Mahatma Ghandi Last edited by longbough; 11-07-2010 at 07:05 AM..

11-07-2010, 07:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Care to explain it for the rest of the class? Some of the other users are butthurt. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-11-2010, 02:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
monkeysugar I'll be on the veranda, since you're on the cross. Location: Rand McNally's friendliest small town in America. They must have strayed from the dodgy parts...	I found this to be extremely amusing, while being quite accurate. A shining example of satire at its best. __________________ I've got the love of my life and a job that I enjoy most of the time. Life is good.

11-11-2010, 08:04 AM	#22 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	Yeah, I guess I quoted too much there. I edited it to make more sense. Now you... you've just seen too many zombie / post-apocalyptic movies. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

11-11-2010, 08:06 AM	#23 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	That would imply that I'm satiated. Such is not the case. I want more. Gimmie MORE. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."