KirStang

So..in order to vindicate our Second Amendment rights, we have to participate in TREASON and also SUCCEED at it?

That is untenable. Way to set up a catch 22.

Willravel

It's not about vindication, it's about having a reason for the right at all.

We have free speech because it's a human right, the right to seek, convey, and receive free ideas, and without this right, we could not correct any system. As self-correction is a part of any successful and free state, free speech and free expression must also be. I could ramble out an answer for pretty much everything in the Constitution and the BOR, and I could probably cite specific examples of the rights being utilized for good.

I'm really glad that everyone rose up against the British once upon a time, I really am, but it's not the 17th century anymore. Determined farmers with muskets would be unable to overthrow the US government should it become corrupt, especially considering that even when there was massive systemic corruption quite recently nothing happened. Neither willing, nor able, the collective Second Amendment proponents of the USA have demonstrated in no uncertain terms that an amendment ensuring that the populace should be armed to fight our tyrannical government has no teeth and no meaning.

Rewrite the damned thing so that it makes sense for what is happening now, in 2009:
"A well regulated state of readiness and armament being necessary to the security of one's person, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

dksuddeth

so the video I saw of one elderly woman refusing to fire on 3 california highway patrol officers that tackled her with an unloaded revolver means that you're correct that nobody will fight the government?

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correction, without that right, you could not BEGIN to correct any system

most records indicate that only 3% of the colonial population bothered fighting the british crown.

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Cynthetiq

as with most times, even today most people just want to get on with their lives and their business. most coups, revolutions aren't done by the majority of the population.

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n0nsensical

When only governments have guns, the people are slaves.

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samcol

I think it has more to do with the huge risk. Even as bad as things are now we still can guy to the store and buy things, walk around town relatively safely, attend protests without getting beat up by darth vader cops (although this is getting more common).

There are still means to change things peacefully and should absolutely be utilized. This is a great video of a gun nut who does many gun and knife reviews on youtube. He speaks on this issue and I think it's a great mentality to have as far as the right to bear arms.

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Strange Famous

I dont want to be trite, but I'm not sure that slavery means what you think it does. There WERE slaves in the US until quite recently, and not being allowed to have a gun doesnt make you one.

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dksuddeth

not being allowed to have one ensures your slavery if you already are one.

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MSD

The great thing about our system is that we can exercise the right of the people to alter or to abolish our government at the polls first instead of jumping straight to armed revolution. The law prohibiting confiscation in the wake of law enforcement action after Katrina is a perfect example of something that was done right to ensure our freedoms are protected. People got pissed off and our representatives fixed the problem. It's not frequently that this kind of thing happens, but it shows that there's at least a shred of decency left in our legislators.