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Profhet · 12-29-2004, 04:06 PM

Has anybody run into where they couldnt get songs of a CD into there ipod?
We just got Velvet Revolver's Contraband, it wont work with the iTunes properly cause of pre-ripped music that is in protected wma format. I thought an ipod could play wma?

jonjon42 · 12-29-2004, 04:13 PM

nope...apple and windows won't play nice on this one....
I say crack drm and encode to aac or mp3
In my opinion that would be still considered fair use but others may disagree
(hint: easy way to do it is loop line-out to line-in)

Profhet · 12-29-2004, 04:30 PM

thanks, jesus, 18 bucks for a CD, and they do this crap

Willravel · 12-29-2004, 04:56 PM

Agreed with jonjon. They are being stupid, so we have to be smart. I figure if you buy the cd, you should be able to play it on your own mp3 player. RIAA can't do anything.

Glory's Sun · 12-29-2004, 05:18 PM

rip it to your computer using something other than WMP ( a prog that rips it to mp3 format) and then transfer it to your ipod.

Sledge · 12-29-2004, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

rip it to your computer using something other than WMP ( a prog that rips it to mp3 format) and then transfer it to your ipod.

Yeah. The old-school (and still the best) way to do it: rig up Exact Audio Copy (freeware) to a LAME MP3 encoder and rip away.

Glory's Sun · 12-30-2004, 07:23 AM

I like to use Easy CD-DA Extraxtor.. works great for me.. and just as a side note WMA files are EVIL!! Stay away from windows media player at all costs if you can

Profhet · 12-30-2004, 07:34 AM

Yeah, Sunncomm emailed me back saying exact same thing, burn it to a cd, then rip it from that cd to itunes.

Profhet · 12-30-2004, 07:35 AM

I just noticed my "rookie" status, dammit

Redlemon · 12-30-2004, 07:38 AM

If you have a buddy with a Mac, have them try ripping it for you. Frequently, the Mac just ignores Windows-based copy protection.

punx1325 · 12-30-2004, 01:29 PM

I just use iTunes to rip CD's into Mp3, is EAC+LAME that much better?

Arroe · 12-30-2004, 09:24 PM

hmm, wierd, I've burned CD's to my computer in WMP and when I loaded them into iTunes it converted the files to some other file type. They work fine on my iPod.

snowy · 01-03-2005, 06:40 PM

Yeah, iTunes automatically offers to change your WMA files over to AAC or mp3 when it starts up, depending on your settings. iTunes also rips CDs quite well.

skinnymofo · 01-04-2005, 01:45 PM

yeah the copyright protection on Velvet revolver is rediculous, they make you download the program BMG put on the CD to get their songs and if you press no they pop the CD out. once it is downloaded it stays only on that computer i tried putting it on a new pc of mine (my last one is dead) and now all the songs are fucked sounding. bastards

biznatch · 01-12-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

I like to use Easy CD-DA Extraxtor.. works great for me.. and just as a side note WMA files are EVIL!! Stay away from windows media player at all costs if you can

yup; great, simple program. i like it a lot. And it finds the song names of most CDs automatically when you rip them..cool stuff

Onions · 01-27-2005, 10:35 PM

It finds some names anyway, not always the right ones!

d*d · 01-28-2005, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel

Agreed with jonjon. They are being stupid, so we have to be smart. I figure if you buy the cd, you should be able to play it on your own mp3 player. RIAA can't do anything.

You figure wrong, you don't own the copyright to the music by buying the CD, so you don't have the right to copy it.

Shizukana · 01-28-2005, 10:46 AM

You absolutely have the right to copy it. You simply don't have the right to distribute it to people who do not own a copy of it. That's what the Fair Use Act is all about.

mwscircle · 01-28-2005, 10:54 AM

um can't you get a friend with a mac and run ipodrip?

Glory's Sun · 01-28-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shizukana

You absolutely have the right to copy it. You simply don't have the right to distribute it to people who do not own a copy of it. That's what the Fair Use Act is all about.

yup...you nailed it perfectly

d*d · 01-31-2005, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shizukana

You absolutely have the right to copy it. You simply don't have the right to distribute it to people who do not own a copy of it. That's what the Fair Use Act is all about.

That's an american amendment to copyright and may not hold true in other countries, also fair use allows copying for research and educational purposes, it also allows copying if you are not copying a "substantial" amount of the product so, it is illegal

Captain Nemo · 01-31-2005, 12:33 PM

d*d, that is an inaccurate statement. Think people taping tv shows. Fair use was put to the test in the 80's when Hollywood tried to sue Betamax over people taping shows (all of the shows, substantial wasn't at issue). They lost as the court said that people merely were shifting when they watched the shows, they weren't copying them for distribution. Same concept applies here. I buy a cd and transfer it to my IPod. It is not illegal, I am merely switching the medium in which I am listening to the music that I legally bought.

For a great article on the Fair Use concept, read this:

http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/was...003/access.cfm

he_haha · 02-01-2005, 12:06 AM

From what I've heard, it's best to use iTunes to rip a cd to go onto your iPod. It's fast, and obviously compatible.

d*d · 02-01-2005, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

d*d, that is an inaccurate statement. Think people taping tv shows. Fair use was put to the test in the 80's when Hollywood tried to sue Betamax over people taping shows (all of the shows, substantial wasn't at issue). They lost as the court said that people merely were shifting when they watched the shows, they weren't copying them for distribution. Same concept applies here. I buy a cd and transfer it to my IPod. It is not illegal, I am merely switching the medium in which I am listening to the music that I legally bought.

For a great article on the Fair Use concept, read this:

http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/was...003/access.cfm

http://www.digitalconsumer.org/overview.html

If the cd is copy protected, it's illegal to copy it.

jstory · 02-05-2005, 07:07 PM

They make cds in wma format now? That sucks.

Mr Cassata · 02-13-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by d*d

http://www.digitalconsumer.org/overview.html

If the cd is copy protected, it's illegal to copy it.

If the CD is copy-protected, it means the music company doesn't want you to copy it. It doesn't mean it's illegal to do so.

They can tell you that they don't like copying and can even try to prevent you from doing so. The fact is that you're not stealing from them, as long as you don't hand copies out to your friends/put the mp3's on a filesharing network/sell ripped CD's/etc... They don't lose anything from someone buying a CD and listening to it by himself/herself, be it an mp3 player, computer, CD, tape.

bacon_masta · 02-14-2005, 01:32 AM

Audiograbber in conjunction with lame works pretty well for reencoding about anything. I thought you were legally allowed to make one back up copy of all purchased digital media? I don't think it should matter if you store it on your ipod.

d*d · 02-14-2005, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Cassata

If the CD is copy-protected, it means the music company doesn't want you to copy it. It doesn't mean it's illegal to do so.

They can tell you that they don't like copying and can even try to prevent you from doing so. The fact is that you're not stealing from them, as long as you don't hand copies out to your friends/put the mp3's on a filesharing network/sell ripped CD's/etc... They don't lose anything from someone buying a CD and listening to it by himself/herself, be it an mp3 player, computer, CD, tape.

No, it is a very common misconception, also a very gray area of copyright law which is constantly being tested because the laws can't keep up with the speed at which technology changes. The term copyright means the right to copy, without the copyright you cannot legally copy the material for any reason, profit related or not (there are, I know, exceptions to this on which you could base a substantial legal textbook). Analogies to video recording is also not accepatable since exceptions are specific not general. Read the link in my previous post for more info

12-29-2004, 04:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Profhet Upright Location: Stratford, Ontario, Canada	ipod, WMA PROTECTED Has anybody run into where they couldnt get songs of a CD into there ipod? We just got Velvet Revolver's Contraband, it wont work with the iTunes properly cause of pre-ripped music that is in protected wma format. I thought an ipod could play wma? __________________ YOUR AD HERE

12-29-2004, 04:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
jonjon42 Psycho Location: inside my own mind	nope...apple and windows won't play nice on this one.... I say crack drm and encode to aac or mp3 In my opinion that would be still considered fair use but others may disagree (hint: easy way to do it is loop line-out to line-in) __________________ A damn dirty hippie without the dirty part....

12-29-2004, 04:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Profhet Upright Location: Stratford, Ontario, Canada	thanks, jesus, 18 bucks for a CD, and they do this crap __________________ YOUR AD HERE

12-30-2004, 07:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
Profhet Upright Location: Stratford, Ontario, Canada	Yeah, Sunncomm emailed me back saying exact same thing, burn it to a cd, then rip it from that cd to itunes. __________________ YOUR AD HERE

12-30-2004, 07:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
Profhet Upright Location: Stratford, Ontario, Canada	I just noticed my "rookie" status, dammit __________________ YOUR AD HERE

12-29-2004, 04:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Agreed with jonjon. They are being stupid, so we have to be smart. I figure if you buy the cd, you should be able to play it on your own mp3 player. RIAA can't do anything.

12-29-2004, 05:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	rip it to your computer using something other than WMP ( a prog that rips it to mp3 format) and then transfer it to your ipod.

12-30-2004, 07:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I like to use Easy CD-DA Extraxtor.. works great for me.. and just as a side note WMA files are EVIL!! Stay away from windows media player at all costs if you can

12-30-2004, 07:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	If you have a buddy with a Mac, have them try ripping it for you. Frequently, the Mac just ignores Windows-based copy protection. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

12-30-2004, 01:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
punx1325 Junkie Location: San Diego	I just use iTunes to rip CD's into Mp3, is EAC+LAME that much better? __________________ If something seems too good to be true, then it probably is....

12-30-2004, 09:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Arroe Insane Location: USA	hmm, wierd, I've burned CD's to my computer in WMP and when I loaded them into iTunes it converted the files to some other file type. They work fine on my iPod.

01-03-2005, 06:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Yeah, iTunes automatically offers to change your WMA files over to AAC or mp3 when it starts up, depending on your settings. iTunes also rips CDs quite well. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

01-04-2005, 01:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
skinnymofo Addict ed to smack Location: Seattle	yeah the copyright protection on Velvet revolver is rediculous, they make you download the program BMG put on the CD to get their songs and if you press no they pop the CD out. once it is downloaded it stays only on that computer i tried putting it on a new pc of mine (my last one is dead) and now all the songs are fucked sounding. bastards

01-27-2005, 10:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Onions Upright	It finds some names anyway, not always the right ones!

01-28-2005, 10:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Shizukana Insane Location: Plano, TX	You absolutely have the right to copy it. You simply don't have the right to distribute it to people who do not own a copy of it. That's what the Fair Use Act is all about. __________________ "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

01-28-2005, 10:54 AM	#19 (permalink)
mwscircle Upright	um can't you get a friend with a mac and run ipodrip? __________________ Case closed ®

01-31-2005, 12:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
Captain Nemo Insane Location: In a forest of red tape (but hey, I have scissors)	d*d, that is an inaccurate statement. Think people taping tv shows. Fair use was put to the test in the 80's when Hollywood tried to sue Betamax over people taping shows (all of the shows, substantial wasn't at issue). They lost as the court said that people merely were shifting when they watched the shows, they weren't copying them for distribution. Same concept applies here. I buy a cd and transfer it to my IPod. It is not illegal, I am merely switching the medium in which I am listening to the music that I legally bought. For a great article on the Fair Use concept, read this: http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/was...003/access.cfm

02-01-2005, 12:06 AM	#23 (permalink)
he_haha Tilted Location: NC	From what I've heard, it's best to use iTunes to rip a cd to go onto your iPod. It's fast, and obviously compatible.

02-05-2005, 07:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
jstory Crazy	They make cds in wma format now? That sucks.

02-14-2005, 01:32 AM	#27 (permalink)
bacon_masta Psycho Location: i live in the state of denial	Audiograbber in conjunction with lame works pretty well for reencoding about anything. I thought you were legally allowed to make one back up copy of all purchased digital media? I don't think it should matter if you store it on your ipod.