08-13-2004, 01:42 PM | #44 (permalink) |
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Location: London...no longer a student
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i personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole! u;d have to be crazy!!! IBM have told all its customers they will not support any of them if they install it apparantly
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08-13-2004, 04:05 PM | #45 (permalink) |
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Location: Jersey City
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I've got it running on a test machine right now. It hasn't broken anything (yet).
The firewall is a joke...it doesn't block outgoing traffic at all, and it can be turned off by third party programs. The next wave of trojans will probably just shut the thing down, reconfigure it, then bring it back up again. The rest of us will still have to suffer from zombie machines launching spam and trying to run exploits because of the lax control over outgoing traffic.
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08-13-2004, 06:11 PM | #47 (permalink) |
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Location: Alexandria, VA
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IBM has not told their customers that - they're just giving it time to evaluate it before installing it on computers when they ship them out. Which is a perfectly fair decision, given that they ship tons of computers to mostly computer-illiterate users. They'd lose a lot of business if it had issues. However, they are adopting it - just not this second.
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08-13-2004, 07:00 PM | #48 (permalink) |
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Location: San Diego
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Well I wanted to test SP2 out, so I installed it on my parents computer a few days ago and I have mixed reviews. It does seem faster, user switching happens like *THAT*, but then there is problems. That firewall pisses the shit out of me! It overrid my Norton Internet Security and took me 15 minutes to disable and get rid of that icon! And suprise suprise, SP2 was incompatable with Microsofts own Broadband Networking Software. So I had to download an update for that! And now my Mom tells me that she can't access her email, so now I have to go home this weekend and fix that! They have 5 things installed on their computer and it has had that many problems!!! One thing is foresure I AM WAITING!
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08-13-2004, 07:47 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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And if your software had an update, then what's the fuss? That's like getting mad at video drivers for not being compatible with the next DirectX... |
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08-14-2004, 07:45 AM | #51 (permalink) | |
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Location: California
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08-14-2004, 07:06 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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Location: City of Lights
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I look at SP2 the same way that I look at stuff like opensource releases (even though SP2 has probably been better tested.. there are still holes): Once it goes public, is released into the wild... give it some time (like 6 months for PHP5.. a month for XPSP2) for all the new bugs and stuff to be worked out.. then think about installing it. |
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08-14-2004, 09:23 PM | #54 (permalink) | |
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08-15-2004, 09:13 PM | #55 (permalink) | |
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08-16-2004, 02:38 AM | #56 (permalink) |
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Location: I think my horns are coming out
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The programs that are listed in this article may experience issues after you upgrade to Windows XP SP2.
Age of Empires II: Age of Kings Comabt Flight Simulator 3 Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 Command & Conquer Generäle Command & Conquer Generäle Zero Hour Conflict: Desert Storm Dead Man's Hand Earth & Beyond Elite Forces Vietnam: Special Assignment 2 ver 1 Freedom Force Halo Combat Evolved (Trial) Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne Midnight Outlaw: Illegal Street Drag Medieval Total War MotoRacer 3 NASCAR Racing 2003 Season v2003 NBA Live 2000 Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield Roller Coaster Factory Scrabble Serious Sam: The Second Encounter SimCity 4 Star Trek StarFleet Command III Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic StarCraft StarCraft Brood War Tribes 2 Unreal II Unreal Tournament 2003 (USK16) UT Game of the Year Edition Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos Collectors Edition Nice one Microsoft. rofl |
08-18-2004, 07:03 PM | #59 (permalink) |
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Location: Donkey
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What's the deal with this thing? (SP2)
Is it out, or not? The only system I updated was my work machine, but my home machines have yet to see it on the Windows Update site. What are they waiting for?
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08-18-2004, 08:13 PM | #60 (permalink) |
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Location: Berkeley
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SP2 doesn't let me sync my iPod--and I've discovered I'm not alone in this. Moreover, SP2 also doesn't let me uninstall or reinstall iTunes. It's not a USB issue, because I'm syncing through FireWire and have other devices plugged into USB ports, like the wireless adapter I'm using to connect to the Internet right now
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08-19-2004, 06:12 AM | #63 (permalink) | ||
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What users need to be aware of (and what they surprisingly aren't aware of, despite all of the media attention) is that lots of applications will need to be re-configured to work properly with the new security settings. As long as you're on top of that issue, there's no reason not to install it. |
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08-19-2004, 06:42 PM | #64 (permalink) |
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Location: Nor Cal
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My experiences thus far installed it on two machines at the shop I work at. Only problem I have seen thus far is that in both cases, it failed to recognize that my Antivirus defs were up to date. It sees I have Antivirus installed, Norton AV 2003 and Symantec Corp 9.0. I have done all the live updates for each machine. While its not a big deal to me, I am sure many of the customers I deal with will be confused and think their norton is not working.
I too am holding off on the primary machines I use it on until a SP2a or equivalent is released. I just had to try it out and see what to expect =)
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08-20-2004, 02:15 PM | #66 (permalink) | |
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:edit: took a peek over at symantecs site and found this. "Norton AntiVirus Installing Service Pack 2 will not affect Norton AntiVirus. The Windows Security Center will be aware that you have Norton AntiVirus installed, but it will not be able to determine its working status due to Symantec's tamper-protection technology." If thats the case, then why have SP2 state that fact!? I'm sure symantec and MS had discussions before hand about this.
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08-20-2004, 05:05 PM | #67 (permalink) |
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Location: Nowhere special
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My dad installed this on his computer and it screwed up his entire broadband connection. So there's no fucking way I'm downloading it unless they ... "defuckupatize" it.
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08-20-2004, 07:42 PM | #69 (permalink) | |
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His connection is working fine now because he did a system recovery and got rid of it.
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08-20-2004, 08:31 PM | #70 (permalink) |
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Location: Nor Cal
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I read a survey today that stated almost half of the polled people that installed SP2 had a problem, either minor or sever (rebuild) But if you think about it...sooooo many different hardware combinations out there, how would a company possible test all of them!?
:edit: the survey source. http://isc.sans.org/xpsp2.php?ratingsearch=1
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08-21-2004, 06:08 AM | #71 (permalink) |
I am Winter Born
Location: Alexandria, VA
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I highly doubt that anywhere near as many as half of the people who installed SP2 have issues. I've installed it on over 20 computers and have had no problems whatsoever.
I think that the people with problems are the much more vocal individuals - there isn't much incentive to go "Yea, I installed it, no problems, and I want to start posting all over the place about it", except to offset the complaints. Mr. Spacemonkey, I'd still blame the lack of internet on a driver that needed to be updated for SP2 or a configuration that needed to be changed - not SP2 "being broken." He's going to have to upgrade to SP2 eventually, so it behooves him to figure out what needs to be fixed. Not upgrading to SP2 at all is (a) dumb and (b) going to put your computer at risk to a lot of security flaws once MSFT finishes rolling out SP2 and only puts out critical updates for SP2. |
08-21-2004, 07:01 AM | #72 (permalink) |
I am not permanent.
Location: Tennessee
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The biggest problem that bugs me after SP2 install is that (while you're never explicitly told this unless you check your system logs) you are now limited to 10 concurrent TCP connections. This is one of the things you can't "turn off" without modifying the tcpip.sys (I'm pretty sure that's the file name) in safe mode. <a href="http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=200828"> This</a> thread on Neowin has a patch.
Edit: Just read a post that said the maximum connections patch is in fact a "maximum attempted (but incomplete) patch", so there shouldn't be too much of a problem with it if this post is true. Anyone have any confirmed information about this?
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08-21-2004, 07:34 AM | #73 (permalink) |
Bringer of good Moos...
Location: Midlands, UK
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Microsoft have placed a very interesting list up on their site, detailing the products that they admit don't work after installing SP2. The number of them that have "Vendor: Microsoft" is hilarious! Oh, and I notice Symantec and McAfee feature too...
Here it is: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
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08-21-2004, 11:59 AM | #74 (permalink) | |
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But anyway, I don't really know why it fucked with his connection but the fact is that before he downloaded it everything worked fine, right after he installed it, the connection was gone, and after he got rid of it, everything worked fine again. It probably has something to do with the type of dsl he has, because he called tech support and they said they had been having all sorts of problems with the service pack.
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08-21-2004, 12:09 PM | #75 (permalink) |
Psycho
Location: Greenville, SC
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Alright, I have read every thread on here and still don't know what SP2 is. Can someone explain it?
I usually just let Windows Update do all my updating for XP.
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08-21-2004, 03:00 PM | #76 (permalink) |
Banned from being Banned
Location: Donkey
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What's up w/ the express install? It keeps saying it's unable to contact a download server.
This is during the install, to be exact, it says: A connection w/ the server couldn't be established. This is during the setup's attempt to download the files from whatever server they're on.
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08-21-2004, 04:21 PM | #78 (permalink) |
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Location: Donkey
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I downloaded the one for IT/Developers instead (seeing as how that's what I am :P)
I must say, at first glance, my laptop runs MUCH better! There wasn't much different on my work desktop, but wow, this laptop is acting like it was just formatted, haha. Good thing, too, because I haven't formatted since March and I was about to today... guess I don't need to worry now
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08-23-2004, 09:38 PM | #80 (permalink) |
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Don't have both of the firewalls loaded. I've heard that ZoneAlarm is notoriously unstable anyhow. I would use Kerio myself, but you should invest < $100 and purchase a hardware firewall/router. Go to http://support.microsoft.com/default...S;windowsxpsp2 if you're having issues. When in doubt, turn everything off. Start turning things back on and you'll soon find the culprit.
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