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Temporary_User · 06-22-2004, 03:23 PM

Well I went out and bought myself a big widescreen tv.
Its a philips.
Anyways I use my Ps2 to watch all my movies with.
This tv has different settings that you can change - widescreen, fullscreen, 4:3, panorama.
I have my digital tv and computer also hooked up to it. - different inputs.
both of those use widescreen mode to fit properly.
when I watch my movies, in widescreen mode my tv still has the black bars. I have to switch inputs and put it to auto.
Is there anyway I can take this step and get rid of it?
when Im showing off my tv it sucks to have a movie start out w/ the bars and then I have to grab my remote and switch it.
would a normal, maybe philips dvd player fix this?
any suggestions?
thanks

Halx · 06-22-2004, 03:49 PM

no, there is nothing you can do about it because your PS2 does not support HD component cables (the ones that are red, green and blue)

punx1325 · 06-22-2004, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
no, there is nothing you can do about it because your PS2 does not support HD component cables (the ones that are red, green and blue)

I thought you could buy HD Component cables for PS2. And in the options on your PS2 you can change the display to widescreen. Is that what you were wondering?

Temporary_User · 06-22-2004, 08:58 PM

Well thanks...
I checked the ps2 options and it does have different settings...
4:3
full
widescreen

it was on 4:3, and when I went to widescreen it moved it and put black bars on the screen (larger than 4:3) so I put the setting on full... put in a movie and the bars showed up again when the vid started
I then tried the widescreen and the bars were there too!
Is this something w/ the wires? my tv? or would a stand alone dvd player fix my problem?
does anyone have any experience w/ this?

Halx · 06-22-2004, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punx1325
I thought you could buy HD Component cables for PS2.

i've searched, but could not find

iamtheone · 06-23-2004, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
i've searched, but could not find

Yes you can because I have them.....

As for the bars, on your set you can have it "stretch" the image so that it fills up the screen.

iamtheone · 06-23-2004, 03:37 AM

Component interconnects / toslink digital audio for PS2.

Temporary_User · 06-24-2004, 09:01 AM

stretch?
what do you mean? I thought that dvd's were made to fit my tv so when I bought it I just expected it to play properly, but it is not

iamtheone · 06-24-2004, 10:04 AM

ok, there are two main types of aspect ratios. One being 4:3 then there is 16:9 (widescreen). DVD's that are labeled "full screen" are 4:3. This means that playing on a 16:9 TV you will have bars. On most TV's you can "stretch" this image to fill up the whole screen. Make sence?

iamtheone · 06-24-2004, 10:05 AM

This may help.....

http://money.howstuffworks.com/tv-buying-guide15.htm

Temporary_User · 06-24-2004, 12:57 PM

Yeah, I can make my movies "stretch" after they start, but I have to find my remote and switch the settings all around from what normally works (w/ my cable and computer) which I find a hassle.
the setting i usually have on my tv set as is widescreen. So I don't understand why when a movie plays it doesnt reconize my tv as a widescreen tv.

iamtheone · 06-24-2004, 01:09 PM

OK, I am getting confused here.

You take a widescreen DVD and play it on your 16x9 set and you still get bars on the side?

Temporary_User · 06-24-2004, 05:54 PM

yeah, the top and bottom

Halx · 06-24-2004, 06:31 PM

that's because you shouldn't have to stretch the picture. Your TV should detect the widescreen feed (made possible via the component cables... which I have not been able to find) and automatically fit it into the box

ubertuber · 06-24-2004, 07:47 PM

It is because your TV is 16:9, or "widescreen". This is widescreen for HDTV standards. Almost all "widescreen" films are actually filmed at something like 2.35:1, which for your purposes can be thought of as "widERscreen". The aspect ratio (meaning 16:9, 4:3, 2.35:1, etc.) is not standardized in the film world - it is completely at the director's discretion, although most dvd releases are anamorphic, or 2.35:1. This means if your TV, which is 16x9 (and will therefor display HDTV broadcasts with no bars) is showing you a "widescreen" movie, there will almost certainly be bars on the top and bottom of the screen. When you change the setting on the remote to fill the screen, your TV is using a processing mode to stretch the picture. Most people can't tell if this is done skillfully. Personally, I'd watch it the way it was filmed, and live with the black bars (beware of burn-in if you are using anything other than a tube tv - you can probably make the bars grey which will help, and maybe even engage a picture shift. The little opaque logos on the screen of broadcasts, like espn or the nbc peacock can also burn in your screen. Static elements on video games can be problematic if you play a lot. But, if your tv is a tube television, you'll be just fine, so don't get scared.)

Another issue is that your TV almost certainly displays HD images (which 480p, or progressively scanned dvd, is a variety of) only through component video connections (or dvi, if you've got it). This means you've gotta use the cables with the red, blue and green connectors to get the best picture. You'll be able to do this on a "progressive scan" dvd player or if your tv has a line doubler included. This will yield the best possible picture for dvd. If you use s video, composite, or god help you, coaxial video cable, you will be watching a 480i picture, which is not HD. You might as well be watching a normal TV in this case.

Sorry to throw so much at you, but the bottom line is this. Your TV and PS2 aren't broken and there are no settings you need to change. The black bars are normal. Get component cables for a better picture (or dvi if your tv and player support it, which ps2 will not yet), and think about a progressive scan dvd player. They're really cheap now. Also, beware of burn-in of those bars if your screen is projection, plasma, lcd, or dlp. Also, don't be too disappointed, your widescreen TV kicks much more ass than a 4:3 set!

iamtheone · 06-25-2004, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
that's because you shouldn't have to stretch the picture. Your TV should detect the widescreen feed (made possible via the component cables... which I have not been able to find) and automatically fit it into the box

GameLink™ 400 Component Video -

http://www.monstercable.com/monstergame/ps2/

Temporary_User · 06-25-2004, 10:12 PM

Well thanks ubertuber...
Now im really confussed

Halx and the one had me set on that if I buy these cables im set..
now you say I have to learn to deal w/ it.
Thats fine I guess... those cables would work out to around $100cdn which would be a bit more than I would like to pay.
My impression I got from the posts was that a progression scan dvd player would do about the same as these wires?
Right now my only concern is dvd playback... I dont receive any HD tv broadcasts, and I rarely play video games, and the picture I belive is fine... How better can it get?
thanks for bearing w/ me guys

ubertuber · 06-26-2004, 08:03 AM

Temporary_User, I'll get back to you soon. If you can say which TV model you got, that'll help me look up your options (then I can see what features are on you model.

Temporary_User · 06-26-2004, 10:53 AM

unfortunately I dont know the exact model #, its not in the book.
?
Its a philis 46" HDTV monitor
grey w/ speakers on the bottom. if that helps any.

ubertuber · 06-26-2004, 01:31 PM

Is it this one? (Click the link)

Temporary_User · 06-26-2004, 01:35 PM

Yeah that looks like it.

Temporary_User · 06-26-2004, 01:37 PM

geez, your being more helpful than I am

sorry I never even thought about googling it.

ubertuber · 06-26-2004, 02:46 PM

OK, here is the info.

I downloaded your owner's manual to check out the TV. For best possible picture, you are going to want to buy the component video cables we discussed above. These will have three connections for the video and two for the audio. We'll talk about video first. You'll need to HOOK THESE CABLES UP TO AV 4 on the back of your TV. This is important. Although AV 1 is also a component input, for some reason they made it so it wouldn't accept Hi-Def signals of any kind. Then, on your PS2, enable the progressive scan output mode. Here is what all of this means:

TV pictures are made up of lines across the screen. The picture a normal DVD player shows has 480 lines. There is a catch though - not every line is refreshed on every frame. This is known as an interlaced picture. So, a normal DVD picture is referred to as 480i, meaning 480 lines, interlaced. Enabling progressive scan on your PS2 will allow the PS2 to send a signal that refreshes every line for every frame. This is what progressive means. So, a progressive scan DVD player sends a picture that is 480p, or 480 lines, progressively scanned.

The other option you have is to use the PS2 without enabling progressive scan mode (to send a 480i signal to the TV). If you do this, hook those component cables up to AV1 on the back of your TV. Go through your picture menu to the item called Eye Fidelity and set it to progressive. This switches a line doubler inside the TV on. See which method gives you the best picture. The question will be whether the line doubler in your PS2 is better than the line doubler in your TV. My guess is the one in the TV is better, but what matters most is what you think. Your manual says that for programs with a lot of motion (like a sports game) you may want to switch Eye Fidelity to interlaced.

For an advanced lesson, HDTV can be broadcast in 480p, 720p, or 1080i (they say that 1080p is coming, but I've never seen it or heard of it actually happening). Your screen can display 480i, 480p, or 1080i. I'd recommend doing this - use your PS2 for movies for a while. When you are ready to get a new DVD player or HDTV receiver (which will allow you to watch HDTV) get an all-in-one unit like the new LG LST3510A. It can pass on HDTV or DVD to your TV at multiple resolutions. Remember how I said a progressive scan DVD player can take that 480i DVD and show it to you at 480p? Well, this guy (and a few other units) can display that normal DVD at 720p (useless to your TV) or 1080i (which would look freaking great)! Also, it has a DVI output. This is a type of cable connection that is far superior even to the component cables you are going to be using. Your TV has an input labelled DB15. I think that is just a DVI input, but you should double check that before you buy something on my say so.

What I have described above will give you the best possible image on your screen in terms of color and sharpness of edges. It will not fix the problem with the bars on your screen because of the aspect ratio situation I detailed the other day. If it really bothers you, just tell the TV to expand the picture. True, this isn't exactly the way the film was made, but the TV manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to make the stretching as unnoticeable as the can.

You are also going to want to buy a DVD picture testing disk, like the one made by AVIA. Don't spend more than 20 bucks (American) or so on this, because you aren't installing systems for a living. This will help you adjust the settings in your picture menus to a more correct level. I promise you the way the TV came out of the box is not good. The picture is probably not optimal, and usually they set the brightness and contrast too high, which will reduce the life of your TV (but the bright colors look good to the casual eye, which sells TV's). While we are on this topic, your TV includes something they call APAC. This moves your picture slowly (and I mean like an inch an hour) so that stationary images will not burn into your screen. Burn-in WILL happen to a projection TV if you are not careful. So don't leave the screen on with a stationary image if you can help it. This includes static elements on video game screens and the black bars on the sides or top and bottom of your screen. I couldn't find APAC mentioned anywhere other than the dictionary in the manual, but if it needs to be turned on, DO IT! You won't even notice it, except for the fact that it'll keep your TV from have ghost-looking bars and an ESPN logo on the screen while you are watching movies.

Ok. I think that is everything (except audio - are you using a seperate system or your TV speakers?) that you asked about. I hope I was clear in my explanation. Let me know if you need some clarification. Also, for info, which is sometimes really technical, go to www.avsforum.com - a website for people into a/v stuff in a scary way. (Hope that doesn't qualify as a plug. If it is, let me know and I'll edit)

iamtheone · 06-26-2004, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Temporary_User
My impression I got from the posts was that a progression scan dvd player would do about the same as these wires?

Um, no.

Lamens terms:

A progressive scan DVD player will allow all lines to be scanned at the same time.

Better cables offer a better quality transfer from you DVD player or PS2 than say S-Video or RCA would. HDMi being the best way to go right now. (DVI/DAI)

OK, a straight signal from a STV broadcast on a 16:9 TV will produce bars on the left/right side of the TV. Because you are watching a square box image (4:3) on a rectangled platform (16:9) in lamens terms.... Likewise, if you are watching a widescreen version (16:9) DVD on a 4:3 TV this will produce bars on the top/bottom of the screen..

So, unless you stretch/crop this in your settings, whatever the source is (either 4:3 or 16:9) is how it will be displayed on your TV. Cabling has nothing to do with this function.

The 16:9 setting on your PS2 (some games) will merely stretch the image to fill the screen. (unless the game is in 480p/720p/1080i).

I would suggest you to go here to learn more about this technology.
http://www.avsforum.com/

WONDERFUL site with great information.

teethman · 07-17-2004, 05:12 PM

is the movie in wide screen format?

mattevil · 07-17-2004, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by teethman
is the movie in wide screen format?

and is it anamorphically enhanced/enhanced for 16X9 widescreen tvs? there are nonanamorphic discs out there that will always have the bars and even some discs will have bars if they are anamorphically enhanced becuse of the aspect ratio.

Nikilidstrom · 07-18-2004, 08:00 AM

Also, you were saying that the cables will cost you $100 CAN. I'm assuming that is for Monster cable. While that is the brand to buy for absolute best performance, there are other makers of component cables that will still give you a better picture than S-video or AV, and will cost alot less. Sony makes an HD cable pack for the PS2 for $20 or $30 US, and Advanced Research makes component cables for use with other electronics starting at $20 US. The difference in quality comes from the extra shielding that Monster uses to keep the signal from bleeding out and being interfered with, which can cause loss of picture quality. Hope this doesn't add to the confusion

Temporary_User · 07-19-2004, 12:47 AM

Well, thanks for the new replies...
but as a recently I went out and bought a dvd player for my computer and since my TV is my monitor I just use it and my problem was fixed.
thanks for all of your help though guys!!

y2ktenchi · 08-16-2004, 07:06 PM

I'm sorry I missed this discussion. I just went through this problem myself (PS2 w/ component hookup to a Samsung TXN3098WHF).

Turned out the option I was missing is only found when the PS2 was paused during playback of a DVD. The instructions for setting 16:9 to widescreen are located in the Sony PS2 DVD Remote Control manual.

This is confusing because the settings that have been mentioned already are for the PS2 console itself. The official PS2 DVD remote (and included driver) have their own settings. That's why you have to have a memory card plugged in to play DVDs, so the PS2 DVD driver can save and retrieve settings specific to the DVD driver software.

Oh, well, if it's still bugging you, give this a try. It worked for me! Though I was bummed that LotR: Return of the King was still letterboxed to preserve the extrawide aspect of the theatrical version. I was trying to figure out why every other widescreen movie looked fine and yet Return of the King was letterboxed, then I read that caveat in the small print on the back of the case...

graeme_moss · 09-13-2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2ktenchi

Turned out the option I was missing is only found when the PS2 was paused during playback of a DVD. The instructions for setting 16:9 to widescreen are located in the Sony PS2 DVD Remote Control manual.

This worked for me too. Thanks. I had to PLAY a DVD and then STOP it before I was able to change the DVD screen size settings (otherwise I could see the setting but not change it, frustrating!).

One of the worst application interfaces I've seen!...

Oh, the URL you give seems out of date.

MontanaXVI · 10-08-2006, 09:29 PM

I hate to bring up such an old thread, but it has had a reply in the last month so here goes.

I just recently purchased an HDTV
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...tion_42to51TVs
and I too am running into the bars on the top and the bottom, stretching the image works just fine, as well as leaving the bars in place since with the screen size it really doesn't bother me that much.

My owners manual said I do not have to worry about screen burn in from static images that are up for extended periods of time, I guess only time will tell, it is an LCD projection screen TV.

Also input on the component out cables for the PS2, again I know this is a bit old, but you can find them just about anywhere now and for quite less than the prices quoted above
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=801798
that works with both the PS2 and xbox, they also have cables out for the xbox 360 here http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802111

I have a Sony progressive scan 5 disk dvd player, and used to have it hooked up to my old tv with s-vid, now using component cables I am blown away with the quality.

one last note, the older model first gen PS2's did not have progressive scan capabilities but it was included on newer models in the past few years, so if you have an older system you may not be able to do the progressive scan output mentioned above.

Deltona Couple · 10-30-2006, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubertuber

(beware of burn-in if you are using anything other than a tube tv - you can probably make the bars grey which will help, and maybe even engage a picture shift. The little opaque logos on the screen of broadcasts, like espn or the nbc peacock can also burn in your screen. Static elements on video games can be problematic if you play a lot. But, if your tv is a tube television, you'll be just fine, so don't get scared.)

You do seem to know alot about these things, but I am a little supprised by your statement above. You actually are MORE at risk of burning in a screen if you have a "tube" type television, because of the gun used to send the picture to the face of the tube, and the material the tube screens are made of. The LCD types screens and projectors are the LEAST risk of burning, as well as the DLP. Plasmas are closer to the low risk side, but can be burned, however it would take a VERY long time of a stand alone image to cause the burn, and from what a friend of mine in the tv business has said, you can usually remove the "burn" if you turned off the plasma for about 24 hours.

06-22-2004, 03:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	ps2 dvd fullscreen Well I went out and bought myself a big widescreen tv. Its a philips. Anyways I use my Ps2 to watch all my movies with. This tv has different settings that you can change - widescreen, fullscreen, 4:3, panorama. I have my digital tv and computer also hooked up to it. - different inputs. both of those use widescreen mode to fit properly. when I watch my movies, in widescreen mode my tv still has the black bars. I have to switch inputs and put it to auto. Is there anyway I can take this step and get rid of it? when Im showing off my tv it sucks to have a movie start out w/ the bars and then I have to grab my remote and switch it. would a normal, maybe philips dvd player fix this? any suggestions? thanks

06-22-2004, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	no, there is nothing you can do about it because your PS2 does not support HD component cables (the ones that are red, green and blue) __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-23-2004, 03:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
iamtheone Psychoholic Location: Ein tov she'ein bo ra!	Component interconnects / toslink digital audio for PS2. __________________ Music is holy, art is sacred, and creativity is power... Think for Yourself Question Authority

06-24-2004, 10:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
iamtheone Psychoholic Location: Ein tov she'ein bo ra!	ok, there are two main types of aspect ratios. One being 4:3 then there is 16:9 (widescreen). DVD's that are labeled "full screen" are 4:3. This means that playing on a 16:9 TV you will have bars. On most TV's you can "stretch" this image to fill up the whole screen. Make sence? __________________ Music is holy, art is sacred, and creativity is power... Think for Yourself Question Authority

06-24-2004, 10:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
iamtheone Psychoholic Location: Ein tov she'ein bo ra!	This may help..... http://money.howstuffworks.com/tv-buying-guide15.htm __________________ Music is holy, art is sacred, and creativity is power... Think for Yourself Question Authority

06-22-2004, 08:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	Well thanks... I checked the ps2 options and it does have different settings... 4:3 full widescreen it was on 4:3, and when I went to widescreen it moved it and put black bars on the screen (larger than 4:3) so I put the setting on full... put in a movie and the bars showed up again when the vid started I then tried the widescreen and the bars were there too! Is this something w/ the wires? my tv? or would a stand alone dvd player fix my problem? does anyone have any experience w/ this?

06-24-2004, 09:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	stretch? what do you mean? I thought that dvd's were made to fit my tv so when I bought it I just expected it to play properly, but it is not

06-24-2004, 12:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	Yeah, I can make my movies "stretch" after they start, but I have to find my remote and switch the settings all around from what normally works (w/ my cable and computer) which I find a hassle. the setting i usually have on my tv set as is widescreen. So I don't understand why when a movie plays it doesnt reconize my tv as a widescreen tv.

06-24-2004, 01:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
iamtheone Psychoholic Location: Ein tov she'ein bo ra!	OK, I am getting confused here. You take a widescreen DVD and play it on your 16x9 set and you still get bars on the side? __________________ Music is holy, art is sacred, and creativity is power... Think for Yourself Question Authority

06-24-2004, 05:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	yeah, the top and bottom

06-24-2004, 06:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	that's because you shouldn't have to stretch the picture. Your TV should detect the widescreen feed (made possible via the component cables... which I have not been able to find) and automatically fit it into the box __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-24-2004, 07:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	It is because your TV is 16:9, or "widescreen". This is widescreen for HDTV standards. Almost all "widescreen" films are actually filmed at something like 2.35:1, which for your purposes can be thought of as "widERscreen". The aspect ratio (meaning 16:9, 4:3, 2.35:1, etc.) is not standardized in the film world - it is completely at the director's discretion, although most dvd releases are anamorphic, or 2.35:1. This means if your TV, which is 16x9 (and will therefor display HDTV broadcasts with no bars) is showing you a "widescreen" movie, there will almost certainly be bars on the top and bottom of the screen. When you change the setting on the remote to fill the screen, your TV is using a processing mode to stretch the picture. Most people can't tell if this is done skillfully. Personally, I'd watch it the way it was filmed, and live with the black bars (beware of burn-in if you are using anything other than a tube tv - you can probably make the bars grey which will help, and maybe even engage a picture shift. The little opaque logos on the screen of broadcasts, like espn or the nbc peacock can also burn in your screen. Static elements on video games can be problematic if you play a lot. But, if your tv is a tube television, you'll be just fine, so don't get scared.) Another issue is that your TV almost certainly displays HD images (which 480p, or progressively scanned dvd, is a variety of) only through component video connections (or dvi, if you've got it). This means you've gotta use the cables with the red, blue and green connectors to get the best picture. You'll be able to do this on a "progressive scan" dvd player or if your tv has a line doubler included. This will yield the best possible picture for dvd. If you use s video, composite, or god help you, coaxial video cable, you will be watching a 480i picture, which is not HD. You might as well be watching a normal TV in this case. Sorry to throw so much at you, but the bottom line is this. Your TV and PS2 aren't broken and there are no settings you need to change. The black bars are normal. Get component cables for a better picture (or dvi if your tv and player support it, which ps2 will not yet), and think about a progressive scan dvd player. They're really cheap now. Also, beware of burn-in of those bars if your screen is projection, plasma, lcd, or dlp. Also, don't be too disappointed, your widescreen TV kicks much more ass than a 4:3 set! __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam Last edited by ubertuber; 06-24-2004 at 07:56 PM..

06-25-2004, 10:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	Well thanks ubertuber... Now im really confussed Halx and the one had me set on that if I buy these cables im set.. now you say I have to learn to deal w/ it. Thats fine I guess... those cables would work out to around $100cdn which would be a bit more than I would like to pay. My impression I got from the posts was that a progression scan dvd player would do about the same as these wires? Right now my only concern is dvd playback... I dont receive any HD tv broadcasts, and I rarely play video games, and the picture I belive is fine... How better can it get? thanks for bearing w/ me guys

06-26-2004, 08:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Temporary_User, I'll get back to you soon. If you can say which TV model you got, that'll help me look up your options (then I can see what features are on you model. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

06-26-2004, 10:53 AM	#19 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	unfortunately I dont know the exact model #, its not in the book. ? Its a philis 46" HDTV monitor grey w/ speakers on the bottom. if that helps any.

06-26-2004, 01:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Is it this one? (Click the link) __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

06-26-2004, 01:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	Yeah that looks like it.

06-26-2004, 01:37 PM	#22 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	geez, your being more helpful than I am sorry I never even thought about googling it.

06-26-2004, 02:46 PM	#23 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	OK, here is the info. I downloaded your owner's manual to check out the TV. For best possible picture, you are going to want to buy the component video cables we discussed above. These will have three connections for the video and two for the audio. We'll talk about video first. You'll need to HOOK THESE CABLES UP TO AV 4 on the back of your TV. This is important. Although AV 1 is also a component input, for some reason they made it so it wouldn't accept Hi-Def signals of any kind. Then, on your PS2, enable the progressive scan output mode. Here is what all of this means: TV pictures are made up of lines across the screen. The picture a normal DVD player shows has 480 lines. There is a catch though - not every line is refreshed on every frame. This is known as an interlaced picture. So, a normal DVD picture is referred to as 480i, meaning 480 lines, interlaced. Enabling progressive scan on your PS2 will allow the PS2 to send a signal that refreshes every line for every frame. This is what progressive means. So, a progressive scan DVD player sends a picture that is 480p, or 480 lines, progressively scanned. The other option you have is to use the PS2 without enabling progressive scan mode (to send a 480i signal to the TV). If you do this, hook those component cables up to AV1 on the back of your TV. Go through your picture menu to the item called Eye Fidelity and set it to progressive. This switches a line doubler inside the TV on. See which method gives you the best picture. The question will be whether the line doubler in your PS2 is better than the line doubler in your TV. My guess is the one in the TV is better, but what matters most is what you think. Your manual says that for programs with a lot of motion (like a sports game) you may want to switch Eye Fidelity to interlaced. For an advanced lesson, HDTV can be broadcast in 480p, 720p, or 1080i (they say that 1080p is coming, but I've never seen it or heard of it actually happening). Your screen can display 480i, 480p, or 1080i. I'd recommend doing this - use your PS2 for movies for a while. When you are ready to get a new DVD player or HDTV receiver (which will allow you to watch HDTV) get an all-in-one unit like the new LG LST3510A. It can pass on HDTV or DVD to your TV at multiple resolutions. Remember how I said a progressive scan DVD player can take that 480i DVD and show it to you at 480p? Well, this guy (and a few other units) can display that normal DVD at 720p (useless to your TV) or 1080i (which would look freaking great)! Also, it has a DVI output. This is a type of cable connection that is far superior even to the component cables you are going to be using. Your TV has an input labelled DB15. I think that is just a DVI input, but you should double check that before you buy something on my say so. What I have described above will give you the best possible image on your screen in terms of color and sharpness of edges. It will not fix the problem with the bars on your screen because of the aspect ratio situation I detailed the other day. If it really bothers you, just tell the TV to expand the picture. True, this isn't exactly the way the film was made, but the TV manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to make the stretching as unnoticeable as the can. You are also going to want to buy a DVD picture testing disk, like the one made by AVIA. Don't spend more than 20 bucks (American) or so on this, because you aren't installing systems for a living. This will help you adjust the settings in your picture menus to a more correct level. I promise you the way the TV came out of the box is not good. The picture is probably not optimal, and usually they set the brightness and contrast too high, which will reduce the life of your TV (but the bright colors look good to the casual eye, which sells TV's). While we are on this topic, your TV includes something they call APAC. This moves your picture slowly (and I mean like an inch an hour) so that stationary images will not burn into your screen. Burn-in WILL happen to a projection TV if you are not careful. So don't leave the screen on with a stationary image if you can help it. This includes static elements on video game screens and the black bars on the sides or top and bottom of your screen. I couldn't find APAC mentioned anywhere other than the dictionary in the manual, but if it needs to be turned on, DO IT! You won't even notice it, except for the fact that it'll keep your TV from have ghost-looking bars and an ESPN logo on the screen while you are watching movies. Ok. I think that is everything (except audio - are you using a seperate system or your TV speakers?) that you asked about. I hope I was clear in my explanation. Let me know if you need some clarification. Also, for info, which is sometimes really technical, go to www.avsforum.com - a website for people into a/v stuff in a scary way. (Hope that doesn't qualify as a plug. If it is, let me know and I'll edit) __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam Last edited by ubertuber; 06-26-2004 at 02:51 PM..

07-17-2004, 05:12 PM	#25 (permalink)
teethman Tilted	is the movie in wide screen format?

07-18-2004, 08:00 AM	#27 (permalink)
Nikilidstrom Stick it in your five hole! Location: Michigan, USA	Also, you were saying that the cables will cost you $100 CAN. I'm assuming that is for Monster cable. While that is the brand to buy for absolute best performance, there are other makers of component cables that will still give you a better picture than S-video or AV, and will cost alot less. Sony makes an HD cable pack for the PS2 for $20 or $30 US, and Advanced Research makes component cables for use with other electronics starting at $20 US. The difference in quality comes from the extra shielding that Monster uses to keep the signal from bleeding out and being interfered with, which can cause loss of picture quality. Hope this doesn't add to the confusion

07-19-2004, 12:47 AM	#28 (permalink)
Temporary_User Psycho	Well, thanks for the new replies... but as a recently I went out and bought a dvd player for my computer and since my TV is my monitor I just use it and my problem was fixed. thanks for all of your help though guys!!

08-16-2004, 07:06 PM	#29 (permalink)
y2ktenchi Tilted	I'm sorry I missed this discussion. I just went through this problem myself (PS2 w/ component hookup to a Samsung TXN3098WHF). Turned out the option I was missing is only found when the PS2 was paused during playback of a DVD. The instructions for setting 16:9 to widescreen are located in the Sony PS2 DVD Remote Control manual. This is confusing because the settings that have been mentioned already are for the PS2 console itself. The official PS2 DVD remote (and included driver) have their own settings. That's why you have to have a memory card plugged in to play DVDs, so the PS2 DVD driver can save and retrieve settings specific to the DVD driver software. Oh, well, if it's still bugging you, give this a try. It worked for me! Though I was bummed that LotR: Return of the King was still letterboxed to preserve the extrawide aspect of the theatrical version. I was trying to figure out why every other widescreen movie looked fine and yet Return of the King was letterboxed, then I read that caveat in the small print on the back of the case... __________________ "I wrote this rhyme with a dislocated bling finger." - MF Doom

10-08-2006, 09:29 PM	#31 (permalink)
MontanaXVI Junkie Location: Go A's!!!!	I hate to bring up such an old thread, but it has had a reply in the last month so here goes. I just recently purchased an HDTV http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...tion_42to51TVs and I too am running into the bars on the top and the bottom, stretching the image works just fine, as well as leaving the bars in place since with the screen size it really doesn't bother me that much. My owners manual said I do not have to worry about screen burn in from static images that are up for extended periods of time, I guess only time will tell, it is an LCD projection screen TV. Also input on the component out cables for the PS2, again I know this is a bit old, but you can find them just about anywhere now and for quite less than the prices quoted above http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=801798 that works with both the PS2 and xbox, they also have cables out for the xbox 360 here http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802111 I have a Sony progressive scan 5 disk dvd player, and used to have it hooked up to my old tv with s-vid, now using component cables I am blown away with the quality. one last note, the older model first gen PS2's did not have progressive scan capabilities but it was included on newer models in the past few years, so if you have an older system you may not be able to do the progressive scan output mentioned above. __________________ Spank you very much