Stare At The Sun

Ok, First off i'll start buy saying that my budget is 2300 dollars. I can go over, but if i go under, I can get myself an LCD for my computer, which would be nice. Anyways, I'm looking to get a Big screen projection TV, and a good, loud, clear surround sound system.

I'm still pretty new in this field of electronics, so please, offer the best suggestions you can, and what to avoid.

I was thinking about getting this:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....oryId=cat03006

(A samsung 55'' HD TV, etc, and 1599...pretty decent price.) Though honestly, I know very little about all this stuff. Basically, ofcourse, i'm looking for the best visual experiance for my money. I would like atleast a 45 inch tv, and the best quality sound possible. Thanks in advance!

Boo

A "lot of money" is relative. I am about to do the same thing with a bit more investment. I am looking at several that seem to be dropping in price. I really do like your selection.

HDTV - YES!

I have also had very good luck with the Samsung brand.

I just picked up a Yamaha receiver a couple weeks ago, model STR - DE895. It came highly recommended by the BOSE rep and sounded great in the display.

Try a warehouse store for a better price. Sears sells based on commission, sometimes that can shoot a smoking price. They have a little button on the til called "customer satisfaction" that can make a price drop considerably. Money saved could go to audio!

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GraveTaker

my only complaint is that you can't play any video games on projection screens because it ruins either the sreen by burning an image into or it ruins the projector somehow, i can't remember which one it was.

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TheClarkster

Ya, a friend of mine played video games on their projection tv and now there's a permanent red line through the middle of it.

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jujueye

First off, check as many reviews for that unit online as you can. Then go bug the guys at your local BB. See it for yourself, and remember: the way it is set up at the store is nowhere near what you could possibly get out of it at home. Screens are always too bright, color set too high, etc. The idea is that the brightest, most colorful tv will stand out in the showroom.

Next, decide what you will do more: watch tv or watch movies. If its tv you favor, maybe put a few extra dollars of your budget towards the tv. If its movies, maybe shift some of those dollars to the audio system.

As for audio, there are few, if any, discounts on decent audio gear. That's just the way it goes.

Sounds like you may already have a DVD player? A cool tweak when you get your new tv is a good video cable. They can often mean the difference between a good picture and a wow picture. Try Tributaries, for instance, at Audioadvisor.com. I've purchased various items there and they are known good.

mercury-hg

while you have to worry about burn-in on a projection TV, it's not a matter of fact that if you play games on one you will automatically cause burn-in. just limit playing sessions to an hour or so and you shouldn't have static images on the screen long enough to cause problems.

soccerchamp76

I am not sure what TV this is on (LCD/Plasma/Projection) but it has a new feature to reduce or eliminate burn-in by automatically adjusting the screen by a few pixels to the point where burn in would be eliminated but you would not even notice the screen adjusting.

I would recommend the TV you picked out already, I did a search without looking at yours first and I picked the same on as you. Good choice.

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Stare At The Sun

Well, here is what i got, i spent a little more than i expected (2850), but thats ok

Mitsu 48'' High def projection blah blah
Yamaha 540v reciever
Mordaunt Short speakers and sub(this sub is godly)
Premo wiring all around

I like it

brandon11983

Yeah, because the Blose rep really knows about Hi-Fi.

This is called APAC (Automatic Phospor Aging Compensation) by Philips.

*6:05p CST leaving work, hittin the bar quick, will finish when I get home*


*9:59p CST realizes purchase has already been made, so my input doesn't matter*

uuhhh...go blow some money on power conditioning.

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rothman

just remember, that tv the samsung 55" is HD0ready, you have to connect a special HD box to the outside of it for it to be truly HD... so when you take it home, you will NOT be able to watch HD channels unless you have bought the external HD box...

Boo

Not that it really matters, I have crappy hearing from working F-15's for 18 years. Jet noise "the sound of the wife bitching because the TV is too loud."

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kutulu

I'd also look into buying it online and having it shipped to you. It does pose a few difficulties, but in most states you won't have to pay any sales taxes on that. 8% of $2300 is $184. Depending on the shipping costs, it might save you a bit of money.

When my parents bought their huge HD TV, it wouldn't fit in their SUV. They had to go to UHaul and rent a little trailer, so that had to be factored into the cost also...

tfpfreak

Dude I bought the 65" Samsung from Bestbuy, and I LOVE it. Man it is great, I wouldnt take anything for my bigscreen!!! Go For It!

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mojobojo

also playing games on a big screen with newer systems isnt nearly as bad any more. Most games now dont have too many static backgrounds and or static anything...even health bars now tend to switch around a bit. We play games on our projection all the time and have no problems with burn in. Just dont do anything dumb like leave it on while you go somewhere

mojobojo

in reply to this, currently the majority of tvs dont already contain the hd tuner inside. In fact in the long run it may be better to buy it later as the prices when hd if really more worth it(aka more than a few channels and prime time) the prices for the tuners will come down substancially....remember how much the first dvd player were...

crewsor

I'm looking at big screens now. I noticed that there is a huge price difference in the hdtv segments when you go to LCD DLP. I don't really know what the difference is but it sure bumps up the price. Does anyone know the difference and if its worth it?

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gcbrowni

I'll try to help.

HDTV's fall in to one of several catagories: Tube, CRT-RP, Plasma, LCD, LCP-RP, DLP-RP, and the new exotics.

Tubes are just like the sets we know and love. They have a giant picture tube in them. The tube makes them very heavy and they don't usually come in sizes > about 40". You can burn in pictures but it's generally very difficult.

CRT-RP's are what people usually think of when they think of big Tv's. They have three small CRT's in them and use a mirror to project the image on to the screen from behind (the -RP stands for Rear Projection.) The sets are HUGE and weigh a TON. They burn in "easily." They are also amoung the most inexpensive of large screen sets.

Plasmas are flat and don't generally burn in easily. True HD plasma in large sizes is still very expesive: more than DLP-RP and lots more than CRT-RP.

LCD's are flat like plasma but are, at heart, digital. They have pixels, not weirdo strange analog plasma gas. LCD panels are expensive to manufacture in large sizes. They can't burn in.

LCD-RP. What if you have a small (~9"), high quality LCD and then used a mirror to project the image on to the back of a screen just lke CRT-RP does? Then you'd have LCD-RP. Like LCD, it can't burn in. They are light (~100# for a 50") and are 'tabletop' sets. Not really wall mountable like plasma or LCD, but not huge hulking sets like CRT-RP. More like the size of a traditional tube set. They are more expensive than a CRT-RP but less than a DLP-RP or Plasma. Like LCD it is a digital set with the concept of pixels. I own a 50" Panasonic LCD-RP; for me it hit the sweet spot between price and quality.

DLP-RP uses a ball with thousands of individually controlled mirrors to produce a picture. Sounds wacky but works VERY well. It uses a mirror to project the image on to the back of a screen (all RP's do this, hence the term Rear Projection. It can't burn in. It's digital. It costs more than a LCD-RP and less than a Plasma. Tabletop just like LCD-RP. I tried like hell to buy one of these; they were very backordered, so I got a 50" LCD-RP for about $1000 less than the 50" DLP-RP I wanted.

ExoticS: D-ILA, LCOS, etc: Very similiar to LCD-RP and DLP-RP in that they are digital, don't burn in and are tabletop setsl. The first and sewcond generations are just coming out so I'm not sure I would completely trust these yet.

In terms of picture quality, CRT-RP (adjusted) is best, followed by the exotics, plasma, LCD, DLP-RP, LCD-RP (non-adjusted). LCD-RP may be the worst but that's relative in the HDTV field: if you're not a videophile then you probabally won't notice. If you like to watch HDTV and DVDs you are not a videophile, you're a normal person. If you have $200,000 home theater you're a videophile (why are you reading this?) CRT-RP is the best when properally adjusted. Proper adjustment is something you can't do yourself, you have to call in a specialst. It costs at least $500 and you have to have it redone every 6 months. If you don't do that then you have a non-adjusted set and a picture quality that's worse than LCD-RP. In short: don't worry about picture quality. You'll like them all. be careful when looking at these sets in stores. The salespeople in most stores don't set them up so they don't look tht great. 10 minutes of setup gets you a lot of improvement. Some stores will adjust the sets that cost a lot and 'degrade' the settings of the cheap sets to stear you towards the expensive ones. Don't fall for it. Most new/current model sets look very good these days.

Burn-In
CRT-RP is the worse, followed by Plasma and Tube. The exotics, LCD, LCD-RP and DLP-RP can't burn in. Their technology doesn't allow for it. Don't believe that "sets are better these days' stuff. They are better, but they still burn in. Do you want to stretch out all of your 4:3 content to 16:9 (yech!) all the time? Do you want to only play video games for 1-hour at a time? Do you want to not watch ESPN, CNN, and other stations that have 'bugs' and scrollers at the bottom of the screen? Do you want to live in paranoia for the rest of your Tv's life? Do you want your Tv to tell you how to watch it? I don't, so I got a set that can't burn in. I like to turn on my XBOX and hit pause, then I go on a 3 day vacation just to spite the CRT-RP owners. Don't buy a Tv that will burn in: it's a waste of money unless you have enough money to buy a replacement every few years or if you're ONLY going to use it to watch movies in your home theater room.

Digital/Analog
We live in an age of wonder: the digital era. I don't think most people realize how disruptive (in a good way) digital is. Analog loses quality as soon as it leaves the source. In analog you have to worry about interferance. The signal at the destination is never what you sent, it's only the best thing given the loss and interferance it encountered. It's fuzzy, blurry, and wishy-washy. A $10,000 piece of electronics is really better than a $300 piece because it has less interferance. Digital is different. What you send is EXACTLY what you get. You either get the 0/1 or you don't. A digital set (Digital is different than HDTV. Digital is LCD, DLP-RP, LCD-RP, some exotics. NOT PLASMA) can take advantage of that by doing something called '1-to-1 pixel mapping.' What is sent by your DVD player/HDTV box is EXACTLY what is displayed on your set. Every pixel on the source is displayed EXACTLY the same way on your set. To do this you need more than a digital set. You need a digital source (DVD player, HDTV set top box from your Sat or cable provider.) The digital source needs to have a DVI or HDMI output. These are DIGITAL ouputs. All of the other output, component, composite, s-video, those are all ANALOG. Your Tv will need a digital input, DVI or HDMI. Finally, your Tv needs to actually be digital: it needs to understand and display nativly the concept of a pixel: LCD, LCD-RP, DLP-RP, and some exotics. Taken together you get EXACTLY what the source is, the best possible picture. (Even in my eyes, a layman, I can easily tell the difference in an all digital system and one that's not. It really is that much better.) If you have an analog signal, or an analog cable or your set is analog (Tube, CRT-RP, Plasma, some exotics) or you don't have DVI/MDI inputs or outputs, then you can never have 1-1 pixel mapping and you're picture will be less than perfect. It will still look good, but. why settle for less than perfection?

LCD-RP, DLP-RP and some exotics have an interesting 'drawback': they have a consumable. Eventually there is a part in the set that will have to be replaced: a special light-bulb inside the set will eventually grow dim and burn out. These little (uh, medium size, actually) buggers cost about $300. You will need to replace it every 3-5 years. My Tv is on from 6am to midnight every day (not counting my 3-day 'pause the xbox' weekends. , 18 hours a day. I'll need to replace the bulb in a little less than 3 years. I'm ok with that.

Digital sets have a drawback: there is space between the pixels. For example: Think of a pixel as a circle. Bunch the pixels up as close as can in a box ,one at each corner. Right in the middle will be some black space that no pixel touches. Repeat a lot (say, the size of a typical 50" HDTV screen) and you get something known as the screen-door effect (SDE). Imagine you are lookng through a screen door. You can see through it (the pixels) but you also see the black grid lines ot the screen (the space between the pixels.) If you sit close (~2-3 feet) to a digital set you will see the SDE. If you sit farther back you will not see it. Analog doesn't have this problem since there's no space to speak of between the scan lines. Image you drew a straight line with an extra-sharp pencil. Draw another one 1 cm under it. You could see the paper between the lines pretty clearly. Now image you did the same thing with a fat ragged marker. The ragged edges and dye would cause the lines to bleed in to each other. The color may be lighter in the center, but it won't be like the pencil. BTW: Most people agree you should sit about 8-9 feet away from an HDTV set, so this shouldn't be an issue in any case. I usually sit 3-4 feet away when XBOXing, and I don't notice it. I see it sometimes about 3-4 feet away when I'm watching 'normal' analog Tv.

Once last thing, all Tv's are plagued by viewing angles. All technology gets dimmer when you're off angle horozontially (remember the old LCD computer monitors) and/or vertically. For the best picture you need to be in front of the Tv (maybe off horozontal axis about 30 degrees) with the center of the Tv at your eye level. Higher, lower, or off to the side the picture will get dimmer. The height issues can be solved by basing your Tv stand purchase so it puts the Tv at eye level when you're on the couch/bed/floor (whereever you expcet to view it more.) When looking at Tv's in stores I would suggest you move around a btit and see how the picture brightens/dims as you move off to the sides and above/below eye level. That will help you see how it will fit in to your room, and there's little the sales driods can do setting-wise, posative or negative, to change that factor.
If I were purchasing today I'd get a 50" LCD-RP or DLP-RP with at least 1 DVI and/or HDMI input. That should run between $2500 and $3500.

Good luck, and let me know if I can answer any more questions.

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crewsor

Man! Thanks. You pretty much took care of all the questions I had. That is a great, in depth analysis. I am leaning towards your suggestion right now. Thinking of getting a 42" or 44" Zenith LCD.The biggest drawback for me are the viewing angles. The projection sets all look great if you are directly in front of them but move off line a bit and it sucks.

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oblar

hehe I know someone with a big-screen (like 56inches I think) HDTV; not sure what type, but they ended up causing burn-in. That is fairly common, but what is strange. They burned in the volume bar for their cable box.

it isnt very noticable except when you are watching a movie or a video game with a bright, constant coloured background on the bottom.

Missy

Gcbrownie, thanks for the information. I am thinking about going crazy and buying a 50" (maybe the 42", but if i'm going to go crazy, might as well go all the way) Sony GrandWEGA LCD Projection HDTV. Price is about $3000 and they are giving away a $300 gift card with it (which I can apprearently use to buy the extended warranty) Anyone have experience with this model?

JohnnyCarson

I just got a 50" DLP set and wouldn't give it up for anything. It is incredible, in that even the "regular" cable channels look better! I added the Hi-Def channels from our cable company and it just totally blows you away.

I highly recommend DLP!!! I got an RCA on clearance at Best Buy for $2900....

Missy

Do you know what model it is? Why was it 'on clearance?'

JohnnyCarson

It is an RCA HD50LPW42....I think that Best Buy was not going to carry RCA any longer.

Missy

Is this the same model? Seems like a good deal for $2900. Anyone have any input into this one vs. the Sony 50" LCD projection? Circuit City has the Sony onsale now for $2700.00. Thanks!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....9&type=product

JohnnyCarson

It looks and sounds exactly the same. Maybe just a different model number?

Great price...I would take DLP over LCD anytime.

Also notice that it only weighs 93 lbs and is only 16" thick....

Missy

"ONLY 93" lbs huh? Well I could just throw that around like a wet paper bag...one of you studs wanna come carry it for this helpless little girl?

JohnnyCarson

Yeah, when I hear a female say "helpless little girl" it is time to look out!