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Crack · 11-23-2003, 01:41 PM

http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/

Quote: Presenting the Mach 3.8 Personal SuperComputer featuring a never before seen collection of technical breakthroughs of both hardware and software integration. It is the world's most radically engineered, groundbreaking, and fastest personal computing powerhouse ever built. No other PC in its category you compare it with, comes even closes. Nothing. Period. Truly, like no other.

3.8GHz* Accelerated Hyper-Threading Intel®
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition CPU w/ 2MB L3 Cache
512K L2 Cache
950MHz** System Bus
PuRam™ No System Hard Drive Configurable
Up to 100 times faster than ATA/SCSI/FC HD based
designs with Data Burst Speeds up to 8GB/s
and I/O data requests at over 150.000 I/O sec.
Enhanced CacheFlow™ Technology
SuperBIOS™ IBPT Technology
180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling
PC4200 533MHz Dual-Channel Performance
DDR, up to 4GB
Up to 16GB Total RAM with optional RamDrives.
Over 8.4Gb/s Memory Bandwidth
ATA-133 RAID, Serial ATA-150 Connectivity
UltraSCSI-320 & FiberChannel Expansion
Up to 2 Terabytes of Colossal Storage Capacity
Intel Performance Acceleration Technology
AGP Pro 8x Accelerated 256bit MemoryBus
Radeon™ 9800 Pro/ XT Graphics with 8 Pixel
Pipelines at 3.04Gp/s Pixel Fil rate, 21.8GB/
bandwidth & Multi-monitor, High-Definition support.
Optional direct connectivity with the Gemini,
Cinerama & Grand Canyon Series Displays (or a
total of 8 external high-resolution monitors) via
ColorGraphgic Xentera GT, Appian Rushmore, Nvidia
Quadro NVS & Matrox Parhelia, 450MMs & QID
Graphics Adapter Series bundle.
Ultra High-speed 8x DVD+/-RW Optical Drive
Front Panel Multi-information LCD Status
Display, External removable HD Storage racks
with LCD Monitoring or Multi-Optical Drives
interchangeable bays
FireWire 400 & 800 Ports
Up to 8 Full-Duplex USB2 480Mb/s Ports
6 Channel Digital IA Audio with Artificial
Intelligence Audio-Sensing Technology &
S/PDIF Digital interface
3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net
(Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)
Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability
550W VF-Speed Power Supply
AI Ultra-low noise Q-Fan technology
802.11G Wireless LAN & Bluetooth Expansion
Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS
Absolutely stunning design combined high-end
european critical components quality worksmanship.

($9000)
I would trade my cat for this computer, and I really love my cat...
One more time, THERE IS NO ATA HDD!

"configurable WITHOUT a System Hard Drive with all operating system and program files permanently sitting a on a Flash RamDisk. It operates at the speed of the maximum available memory bandwidth up to 8.0GB/s and is capable of over 150,000 I/O requests per second, with an average of 0.0% CPU utilization. No Hard Disk design, not even 15.000RPM SCSI devices in multiple RAID cofigurations can come close to providing a fraction of the real-world performance of PuRam™ Technology."

Up to 2TB of HDD space on a flash ramdisk...
Now I will give you time to talk amongst yourselves...
~Crack

Snakebyt · 11-23-2003, 01:55 PM

i want some of those monitors...

numist · 11-23-2003, 02:00 PM

I would probably offer my first born for something like that, but I'd prefer to have two physical 3.8 processors over a hyper threaded

Amarth · 11-23-2003, 02:04 PM

I'd eat fireants for that piece (live ones)! It's awesome!

kel · 11-23-2003, 02:50 PM

Doesn't flash RAM have a short life in terms of rewrites?

arch13 · 11-23-2003, 03:44 PM

everyone needs to be honest here.
None of us have a need for that. it's the definition of overkill and you wouldn't get any value out of it since were not running genetic modeling or radio Mhz analysis at full blast.
It's like owning a Ferrari on a mile long island, simply overkill.
i can't even think of a game that would need anywhere near that, can you

*Edit*
yes, flash memory has a lower life span and is far more suceptable to electromagnetic failure

Sion · 11-23-2003, 04:04 PM

arch, yes, none of us NEED that much speed and power. that is obviously beside the point. we want it, simple as that. cmon, tell me you wouldnt LOVE to have that machine, if it were given to you (or if you were mega rich and could afford it). hell, Im half tempted to take out a loan just to get one, lol.

sailor · 11-23-2003, 04:08 PM

*splooge*

Neccesary or not, that is a badass system.

charliex · 11-23-2003, 04:20 PM

SSD drives are better than hard drives for retention since they don't rely on magentic disks, they have no moving parts, temperature domains are much wider.

800,000 MTBF and 5,000,000 write/erase (per bit) and 10 years retention for a flash drive is typical.

They'll be a ot more common in a few years, but at current prices around 1k per 1G you only see them on systems demanding really high performance.

its quite a common system spec. around these parts, i was thinking of buying one of the 3.8 myself, but it seems go-l is actually a fake company or at least highly dodgy , so if you are going to buy one of these system from them, check it out in depth.

the hardware *is*real but the company is the fakey one, most of us still think its a complex gag rather than a scam, but who knows.

The specs on some of the system are a little, ahem, glorified.

kel · 11-23-2003, 04:24 PM

I can just imagine some malicious program using virtual memory on the drive, rewriting the same bits very frequently...

charliex · 11-23-2003, 04:30 PM

actually the only bits of the machines i havent been able to find so far, is those cool looking front panels, the ones on the go-l site are very obvious photochops.

Dilbert1234567 · 11-24-2003, 01:56 PM

its using ram as teh hard drive this mean sthat you can not shut it off, with out lossing EVERYTHING. power outages woudl wipe your system clean .

further the phase change cooling is n ice but eats through your electric bill. real fast coupled with being on 24/7 its not for the casual user.

sweet machein but not worth it. you can build the same system for less ($6000 or so)

Lasereth · 11-24-2003, 02:23 PM

Anyone else think it's funny that the processor in that PC (3.8 GHz Pentium 4 EE) has to have Vapor-Cooling at stock? I wonder how Intel is gonna get around that for consumer use.

That's a damn nice PC. Way overpriced (those monitors kill it), but at least a third of it is simply the processor. The 3.2 GHz EE is almost $800 with each consecutive EE going up in price exponentially. I think I read somewhere that it will debut for $3000 US? That's right, just the processor.

This machine isn't overkill. With games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 coming out, it's gonna be a while before a true overkill is introduced. Overpriced and not worth the money, but surely not overkill.

I'd take it for free though!

-Lasereth

rock_bottom · 11-24-2003, 04:29 PM

The thing is... less than 10 years people would have been this crazy about and probably paid as much money for a 150mhz Pentium with 128mb of RAM 80gb of disk space and a 21" monitor, hehee.

charliex · 11-24-2003, 04:45 PM

the ram is battery backed up if you switch it off it loses nothing, well only what you would lose if you turned off a machine with a regular hard drive, ie anything in the write cache

the reason the 3.8 has a vapour cooler is because its overclocked not stock, intel won't need to do the same since they'll design it to function correctly.

also remember since the site is pretty much considered to be fake, the prices probably are too

Lasereth · 11-25-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charliex
the ram is battery backed up if you switch it off it loses nothing, well only what you would lose if you turned off a machine with a regular hard drive, ie anything in the write cache

the reason the 3.8 has a vapour cooler is because its overclocked not stock, intel won't need to do the same since they'll design it to function correctly.

also remember since the site is pretty much considered to be fake, the prices probably are too

Thanks for the info. I didn't think Intel had made a stock EE over 3.6 GHz, but I'm not a huge Intel fanboy so things can change!

-Lasereth

charliex · 11-25-2003, 02:23 PM

the 3.8 isn't out publically yet, the first will be the prescott line not ee, which is set for release next year, Q1 i think, may have moved.

They haven't told us if theres going to be any faster EE's released publically, i will ask our intel rep next time i talk to him

Mondak · 11-25-2003, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arch13
everyone needs to be honest here.
None of us have a need for that. it's the definition of overkill and you wouldn't get any value out of it since were not running genetic modeling or radio Mhz analysis at full blast.

LIES!!! I Need that. I could play some cool games on it and really watch some great pr0n on those monitors.

Regziever · 11-27-2003, 05:58 AM

*drools*

/me prays Please please please!!!

Jeff · 11-29-2003, 08:37 PM

Very cool computer, I still smell bullshit though.

arael · 11-29-2003, 10:17 PM

ya.. i think it's part scam... but i wouldn't mind getting one for free.

Vanquish · 11-29-2003, 10:58 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1924&p=2

You guys might want to take a look there before you totally disregard there authenticity. These guys have a good rep for producing good articals and always giving the facts, so I trust them. Now the actual specs of the system, I dont know, but at least its showing that the monitor and the Case are totally real.

charliex · 11-30-2003, 06:03 PM

the hardware is valid, but its made by other people. so far no ones been able to get liebermann to sell them one, they are about two blocks from one of the places i work, and i can't get in for a demo.

plus everything with them is still not ready to sell, and they won't answer direct questions, and the guy behind them uses an alias apparently.

They only ever seem to show off the displays, which have been on sale elsewhere for ages. The case is just a http://vapochill.com/
pci expansion chassis http://www.magma.com/
laptops http://www.clevo.com.tw/
"grandview" monitors http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a...gurations.html

heres the story here.

http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

merkerguitars · 12-29-2003, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by arch13
everyone needs to be honest here.
None of us have a need for that. it's the definition of overkill and you wouldn't get any value out of it since were not running genetic modeling or radio Mhz analysis at full blast.
It's like owning a Ferrari on a mile long island, simply overkill.
i can't even think of a game that would need anywhere near that, can you

Man I could rip dvds and edit video like a rape ape with that thing...

11-23-2003, 01:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	Creative Weapon http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/ Quote: Presenting the Mach 3.8 Personal SuperComputer featuring a never before seen collection of technical breakthroughs of both hardware and software integration. It is the world's most radically engineered, groundbreaking, and fastest personal computing powerhouse ever built. No other PC in its category you compare it with, comes even closes. Nothing. Period. Truly, like no other. 3.8GHz* Accelerated Hyper-Threading Intel® Pentium 4 Extreme Edition CPU w/ 2MB L3 Cache 512K L2 Cache 950MHz** System Bus PuRam™ No System Hard Drive Configurable Up to 100 times faster than ATA/SCSI/FC HD based designs with Data Burst Speeds up to 8GB/s and I/O data requests at over 150.000 I/O sec. Enhanced CacheFlow™ Technology SuperBIOS™ IBPT Technology 180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling PC4200 533MHz Dual-Channel Performance DDR, up to 4GB Up to 16GB Total RAM with optional RamDrives. Over 8.4Gb/s Memory Bandwidth ATA-133 RAID, Serial ATA-150 Connectivity UltraSCSI-320 & FiberChannel Expansion Up to 2 Terabytes of Colossal Storage Capacity Intel Performance Acceleration Technology AGP Pro 8x Accelerated 256bit MemoryBus Radeon™ 9800 Pro/ XT Graphics with 8 Pixel Pipelines at 3.04Gp/s Pixel Fil rate, 21.8GB/ bandwidth & Multi-monitor, High-Definition support. Optional direct connectivity with the Gemini, Cinerama & Grand Canyon Series Displays (or a total of 8 external high-resolution monitors) via ColorGraphgic Xentera GT, Appian Rushmore, Nvidia Quadro NVS & Matrox Parhelia, 450MMs & QID Graphics Adapter Series bundle. Ultra High-speed 8x DVD+/-RW Optical Drive Front Panel Multi-information LCD Status Display, External removable HD Storage racks with LCD Monitoring or Multi-Optical Drives interchangeable bays FireWire 400 & 800 Ports Up to 8 Full-Duplex USB2 480Mb/s Ports 6 Channel Digital IA Audio with Artificial Intelligence Audio-Sensing Technology & S/PDIF Digital interface 3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net (Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing) Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability 550W VF-Speed Power Supply AI Ultra-low noise Q-Fan technology 802.11G Wireless LAN & Bluetooth Expansion Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS Absolutely stunning design combined high-end european critical components quality worksmanship. ($9000) I would trade my cat for this computer, and I really love my cat... One more time, THERE IS NO ATA HDD! "configurable WITHOUT a System Hard Drive with all operating system and program files permanently sitting a on a Flash RamDisk. It operates at the speed of the maximum available memory bandwidth up to 8.0GB/s and is capable of over 150,000 I/O requests per second, with an average of 0.0% CPU utilization. No Hard Disk design, not even 15.000RPM SCSI devices in multiple RAID cofigurations can come close to providing a fraction of the real-world performance of PuRam™ Technology." Up to 2TB of HDD space on a flash ramdisk... Now I will give you time to talk amongst yourselves... ~Crack __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

11-23-2003, 02:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	Doesn't flash RAM have a short life in terms of rewrites? __________________ "It better be funny"

11-23-2003, 03:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
arch13 Loves my girl in thongs Location: North of Mexico, South of Canada	everyone needs to be honest here. None of us have a need for that. it's the definition of overkill and you wouldn't get any value out of it since were not running genetic modeling or radio Mhz analysis at full blast. It's like owning a Ferrari on a mile long island, simply overkill. i can't even think of a game that would need anywhere near that, can you Edit yes, flash memory has a lower life span and is far more suceptable to electromagnetic failure __________________ Seen on an employer evaluation: "The wheel is turning but the hamsters dead" ____________________________ Is arch13 really a porn diety ? find out after the film at 11. -Nanofever

11-23-2003, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sion Dumb all over...a little ugly on the side Location: In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops.	arch, yes, none of us NEED that much speed and power. that is obviously beside the point. we want it, simple as that. cmon, tell me you wouldnt LOVE to have that machine, if it were given to you (or if you were mega rich and could afford it). hell, Im half tempted to take out a loan just to get one, lol. __________________ He's the best, of course, of all the worst. Some wrong been done, he done it first. -fz I jus' want ta thank you...falettinme...be mice elf...agin...

11-23-2003, 04:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	splooge Neccesary or not, that is a badass system. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

11-23-2003, 01:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Snakebyt Psycho Location: Lubbock Texas	i want some of those monitors...

11-23-2003, 02:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
numist Banned Location: UCSD, 510.49 miles from my love	I would probably offer my first born for something like that, but I'd prefer to have two physical 3.8 processors over a hyper threaded

11-23-2003, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Amarth Loser Location: About 50,000 feet in the air... oh shit.	I'd eat fireants for that piece (live ones)! It's awesome!

11-23-2003, 04:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Location: North Hollywood	SSD drives are better than hard drives for retention since they don't rely on magentic disks, they have no moving parts, temperature domains are much wider. 800,000 MTBF and 5,000,000 write/erase (per bit) and 10 years retention for a flash drive is typical. They'll be a ot more common in a few years, but at current prices around 1k per 1G you only see them on systems demanding really high performance. its quite a common system spec. around these parts, i was thinking of buying one of the 3.8 myself, but it seems go-l is actually a fake company or at least highly dodgy , so if you are going to buy one of these system from them, check it out in depth. the hardware isreal but the company is the fakey one, most of us still think its a complex gag rather than a scam, but who knows. The specs on some of the system are a little, ahem, glorified.

11-23-2003, 04:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
kel WARNING: FLAMMABLE Location: Ask Acetylene	I can just imagine some malicious program using virtual memory on the drive, rewriting the same bits very frequently... __________________ "It better be funny"

11-23-2003, 04:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Location: North Hollywood	actually the only bits of the machines i havent been able to find so far, is those cool looking front panels, the ones on the go-l site are very obvious photochops.

11-24-2003, 01:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	its using ram as teh hard drive this mean sthat you can not shut it off, with out lossing EVERYTHING. power outages woudl wipe your system clean . further the phase change cooling is n ice but eats through your electric bill. real fast coupled with being on 24/7 its not for the casual user. sweet machein but not worth it. you can build the same system for less ($6000 or so) __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

11-24-2003, 02:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Anyone else think it's funny that the processor in that PC (3.8 GHz Pentium 4 EE) has to have Vapor-Cooling at stock? I wonder how Intel is gonna get around that for consumer use. That's a damn nice PC. Way overpriced (those monitors kill it), but at least a third of it is simply the processor. The 3.2 GHz EE is almost $800 with each consecutive EE going up in price exponentially. I think I read somewhere that it will debut for $3000 US? That's right, just the processor. This machine isn't overkill. With games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 coming out, it's gonna be a while before a true overkill is introduced. Overpriced and not worth the money, but surely not overkill. I'd take it for free though! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

11-24-2003, 04:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
rock_bottom Crazy Location: Indiana	The thing is... less than 10 years people would have been this crazy about and probably paid as much money for a 150mhz Pentium with 128mb of RAM 80gb of disk space and a 21" monitor, hehee.

11-24-2003, 04:45 PM	#15 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Location: North Hollywood	the ram is battery backed up if you switch it off it loses nothing, well only what you would lose if you turned off a machine with a regular hard drive, ie anything in the write cache the reason the 3.8 has a vapour cooler is because its overclocked not stock, intel won't need to do the same since they'll design it to function correctly. also remember since the site is pretty much considered to be fake, the prices probably are too

11-27-2003, 05:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
Regziever Sexy eh? Location: Sweden	drools /me prays Please please please!!! __________________ Life is shit, Death is even worse, So what's the point of killing yourself? /Ignatius Camryn Paladine

11-29-2003, 08:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Location: Iowa City	Very cool computer, I still smell bullshit though. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

11-25-2003, 02:23 PM	#17 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Location: North Hollywood	the 3.8 isn't out publically yet, the first will be the prescott line not ee, which is set for release next year, Q1 i think, may have moved. They haven't told us if theres going to be any faster EE's released publically, i will ask our intel rep next time i talk to him

11-29-2003, 10:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
arael Banned	ya.. i think it's part scam... but i wouldn't mind getting one for free.

11-29-2003, 10:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
Vanquish Insane Location: Truro, Nova Scotia	http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1924&p=2 You guys might want to take a look there before you totally disregard there authenticity. These guys have a good rep for producing good articals and always giving the facts, so I trust them. Now the actual specs of the system, I dont know, but at least its showing that the monitor and the Case are totally real.

11-30-2003, 06:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Location: North Hollywood	the hardware is valid, but its made by other people. so far no ones been able to get liebermann to sell them one, they are about two blocks from one of the places i work, and i can't get in for a demo. plus everything with them is still not ready to sell, and they won't answer direct questions, and the guy behind them uses an alias apparently. They only ever seem to show off the displays, which have been on sale elsewhere for ages. The case is just a http://vapochill.com/ pci expansion chassis http://www.magma.com/ laptops http://www.clevo.com.tw/ "grandview" monitors http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a...gurations.html heres the story here. http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html