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pan6467 · 12-12-2005, 08:18 AM

Let me get this straight, you sign for 12 million and know that hurts the team's bankroll, but you don't give a damn because you want as much as you can get...... then the team has to kiss ass and try to appease you????

WTF are YOU?

You get paid to play a game, try working a real job and barely make it like 75% of the US.

You want to be on a winner take less money and allow the team extra room to get quality players...... otherwise shut the fuck up and do your job.

Miguel meet A-Rod......

Fucking sports needs to clamp down and stop the bullshit salaries and babying these guys.

They don't like the contracts they sign and speak out like this..... then the contract should be voided and the player free to find employment elsewhere.

Goes for Manny, also.

I used to say players deserved the money for missing family events and the hard personal life that having to train, and play causes. Now, salaries are out of hand and players get these attitudes that the teams owe them more than just the millions upon millions they get paid.

Quote:

Orioles seek to soothe disgruntled Tejada

By DAVID GINSBURG, AP Sports Writer
December 11, 2005
BALTIMORE (AP) -- Miguel Tejada and the Baltimore Orioles agree on this much: Both want to win.

There is still some question, however, whether Tejada will be a part of the team's quest to become a contender.

Frustrated over the team's failure to add quality talent during the offseason, the Orioles' shortstop said last week he would like to be traded. Baltimore has since received several trade offers, but executive vice president Mike Flanagan said Sunday the team wants to hold onto Tejada, who last year hit .305 with 26 homers and 98 RBIs for the fourth-place Orioles.

Flanagan spent much of the weekend talking with Tejada and his representatives, Diego Bentz and Fernando Cuza.

"We had long conversations with Tejada and his agents," Flanagan said. "What came out of it was the sentiment that Miguel wants to play for a winner. Our goal is the same. We want to be a winner."

Flanagan would not comment on rumors that the Boston Red Sox have offered left fielder Manny Ramirez for Tejada.

"I can't say if we're involved in trade discussions involving Tejada or any other player," Flanagan said.

Tejada was signed to a six-year, $72 million contract before the 2004 season. He quickly assumed the role of team leader, and although he did not appear to play with his usual enthusiasm toward the end of last season, he never spoke of his frustration until last week during a phone conversation with a reporter for The Associated Press.

"I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," he said. "I've done many things with this team and I haven't seen results, and the other teams are getting stronger while the Orioles have not made any signings to strengthen the club."

Think that has anything to do with the fact the O'S maybe bogged down financially because of your fucking greedy ass????????

It's also BS for the fans to say well the owners pay it..... I live in NEAR Cleveland, I know what fans do. If you don't spend big bucks for a player the fans start believing you to be a cheap owner who has no desire to win (and we have one in Dolan)..... yet if you spend big bucks you tie up your salary and can't field a winning team ...... it's a catch 22, and the system needs changed.

Unfortunately, baseball, the NFL, NBA, and so on have such freaking monopolies and have become imbedded into us so much that there isn't a need to change the system because the fans will come and watch anyway..... or the team will move for a nice payoff and a few seasons worth of spike in revenue until that city gets tired of the bullshit.

kutulu · 12-12-2005, 08:39 AM

So Tejada acted like an ass. The thing is that with about $50 million left on his contract, he has the best contract of any superstar player. The O's did a great job with him.

kutulu · 12-12-2005, 08:42 AM

Baltimore can't play that poor us card. The most they will ever pay Tejada is $13M.

Cross-Over · 12-12-2005, 09:44 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2256260

Quote:

Miguel Tejada doesn't want a trade after all.

Three days after telling The Associated Press that he wanted "a change of scenery," the Baltimore Orioles' All-Star shortstop backed off those comments during a phone interview Sunday with Comcast SportsNet.

"I never said I wanted to be traded," Tejada told SportsNet. "I said I want to see a better team. I don't want to keep losing like we have the past two years."

Tejada signed a $72 million, six-year contract with the Orioles before the 2004 season. He hit .304 with 26 home runs and 98 RBI this year, but Baltimore finished 21 games behind the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox in the AL East. In his first season as an Oriole, Tejada set career highs in batting average (.311) and RBI (150) and tied his career high in homers (34).

"I've been with the Orioles for two years and things haven't gone in the direction that we were expecting, so I think the best thing will be a change of scenery," Tejada told the AP during a telephone interview in his native Dominican Republic on Thursday.

"I've done many things with this team and I haven't seen results, and the other teams are getting stronger while the Orioles have not made any signings to strengthen the club," Tejada told AP.

But Tejada, the 2002 AL MVP while with Oakland, said Sunday that he's just frustrated with the team's struggles, especially with pitching.

"Look at the division we're in," he told SportsNet. "It's not easy to win without pitching. I'm not saying I don't like the team or the city. If they trade me, I don't want people to think I just want to go to a winning team. I just want the organization to do something, go get pitching. If they don't, they're telling me they don't want to win.

"I don't want to take anything away from the pitchers we have. But we need more. We need an ace. I think they've got to make some moves. That's why I'm upset. I hope the fans won't be mad at me. But I think me speaking up might actually help the team get better," he said.

The Orioles hired Leo Mazzone, the esteemed pitching coach who had six Cy Young Award winners and nine 20-game winners during a 15½-year run with the Braves, in October. However, they haven't gone after veteran pitching to balance a young rotation. Last season's rotation featured five pitchers under the age of 30 -- Erik Bedard, who finished the season 6-8; Daniel Cabrera (10-13); Bruce Chen (13-10); Rodrigo Lopez (15-12); and Sidney Ponson, who was released in September after posting a 7-11 record.

SportsNet reported that Orioles officials spoke to Tejada on Friday night after speaking with the shortstop's representatives, Diego Bentz and Fernando Cuza.

Maybe if you knew the situation a little better, such as being familiar with Peter Angelos and the Oriole's franchise, you wouldn't be so distraught.
Here are a few things to consider:

-Like Kutulu mentioned, Tejada's salary is slightly under par compared to his production and credentials (MVP with Oakland prior to coming to Baltimore)
-To answer your question: "Think that has anything to do with the fact the O'S maybe bogged down financially because of your fucking greedy ass????????"
The Oriole's made a huge offer to sign Vlad the same year they inked Tejada, but Vlad didn't want to come to Baltimore, so they have $ to spend. The Oriole's made an offer to Delgado last year, but he didn't want to come to Baltimore, so they have $ to spend. The O's were close to trading for Burnett this past year, knowing they would have to ink him to an extension, so they have $ to spend.

Yet with money to spend, they let BJ Ryan go and let Burnett sign with the Blue Jays. I don't entirely blame them, Ryan and Burnett were overpaid. However, it is not like the O's are a hot spot for free agents, in contrast, they have been turned down by free agents and even Phil Nevin rejected a trade to the Orioles.

Peter Angelos, their owner, has received a sweet deal from MLB because of the presence of the Nationals in D.C. Angelos got a very favorable and package from MLB. Here is an excerpt on that package.

"The sides were reportedly on the verge of an agreement last week in which MLB would agree to guarantee that the Orioles would sell for no less than $360 million. The tentative agreement also called for the Orioles to receive 60 percent of the revenue from a partnership in a regional sports network with the Washington franchise.
The third leg of the proposal, which may have become a sticking point, is Angelos’ desire that MLB make up any decrease in the Orioles' revenue caused by the Washington franchise. Angelos wants those guarantees to cover the Orioles' annual lease payments to the state of Maryland, which owns the Camden Yards facility, according to sources. MLB apparently wants the revenue guarantee to approximate the average of the three years prior to the arrival of the Washington team."

So the Oriole's have money to spend, don't automatically cry foul and side with the franchise. Tejada's main point is completely true, they desperately need pitching and the Oriole's have not made any moves in the last two years to address this. I go to school two blocks away from Camden yards, I attended several games last year, I am a big fan of the O's. So I am not just playing the devil's advocate. I truly support the points Tejada made, and as the best player on the team, I am glad he went public with these issues.

I know your gripe is more along the lines of Tejada complaining about not winning, but in mentioning that the Oriole's are bogged down financially because of him, you are mistaken.

thephuse · 12-12-2005, 04:08 PM

I dont believe for one second that Tejada never meant that he didnt want out of Baltimore.. this is nothing more than a PR move trying to fix up the booboo he committed on radio..

As for the team, they have tried in the last 2 yrs over and over again to sign big names to play in Baltimore.. but for some reason, they're not drawing any of the big FA's to come to Baltimore.. tis a shame.. A good Ace in the rotation would really help the O's a lot..

djtestudo · 12-12-2005, 06:54 PM

As an Orioles fan, I'll say this. I was very disappointed to hear Tejada say what he did. I don't know if what he is saying now is a PR move or him actually saying what he ment, but it is still good news.

Reports are that the Orioles are fielding calls, but not yet willing to actually talk trade officially, which is even better news.

Personally, I think the Orioles are bring smart with their money this year, because all the top free agents have major questions about them, and because they are getting major contracts anyway, the lesser players are getting more then they should in a sane year.

thephuse · 12-13-2005, 01:37 AM

I guess I could agree with you on that the free agent market has many questions about health and ability...

However, Toronto at least made a statement that they are willing to do all and beyond to put their team into contention... whether this is wise, we will see...

Its like the Mets last year.. They offered both Pedro and Beltran generous offers to pursuade them, and while Beltran wasnt amazing, Pedro was a great catch... The signings made the Mets no longer a punchline in NY, and gave them some "cred" and has allowed them to approach other high profile players in getting them to come to the Mets..

I personally think the Orioles cant sit to give similar offers to players that other teams like the Red Sox and Cardinals give, they need to draw the big names, even if it means overpaying, to give themselves more respect in the future..

Dragonknight · 12-13-2005, 01:58 AM

These guys get paid too damn much any way. They are doing something they love, and making more damn money in a couple of years then MOST people make in ten years. That's just off of there first contract. Your getting paid to play you ass of for a team, not play your ass off if there winning or it they have good people to play with. You choose to go there and play with them suck it up and pay your dues.

Toaster126 · 12-13-2005, 06:00 AM

I don't see why professional sports call the agreements between players and teams contracts. Either side can stop following the contract at any time... coaches can cut players, players can sit out. We need a better word.

kutulu · 12-13-2005, 07:31 AM

I don't know about the other sports but in baseball the contract is solid. The team is financially obligated to pay no matter what. They can't cut a guy and then not pay them. The only way out would be if a player refuses to play, then they can void it due to breach.

Cross-Over · 12-13-2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kutulu

I don't know about the other sports but in baseball the contract is solid. The team is financially obligated to pay no matter what. They can't cut a guy and then not pay them. The only way out would be if a player refuses to play, then they can void it due to breach.

The same applies to the NBA. In reference to the NBA, you will hear the phrase "guaranteed contracts" used often, which is exactly what Kutulu described as a "solid contract".

thephuse · 12-16-2005, 01:48 AM

yeah,, in the NFL you can cut, whenever, and finish the contract.. which may make the players work harder...

but really does give the organization much more power.

Thats one of hte reasons i was kinda behind TO... cuz while he gets paid a lot of money.. nothing in the NFL is guaranteed... you gotta make money in one year, cant look beyond that...

but yea, ... athletes get paid wayyy too much... As much as I love Jeter... 19M is insane for playin Baseball as a living.. and thats not even his endorsements..

12-12-2005, 04:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	I dont believe for one second that Tejada never meant that he didnt want out of Baltimore.. this is nothing more than a PR move trying to fix up the booboo he committed on radio.. As for the team, they have tried in the last 2 yrs over and over again to sign big names to play in Baltimore.. but for some reason, they're not drawing any of the big FA's to come to Baltimore.. tis a shame.. A good Ace in the rotation would really help the O's a lot.. __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!!

12-12-2005, 06:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	As an Orioles fan, I'll say this. I was very disappointed to hear Tejada say what he did. I don't know if what he is saying now is a PR move or him actually saying what he ment, but it is still good news. Reports are that the Orioles are fielding calls, but not yet willing to actually talk trade officially, which is even better news. Personally, I think the Orioles are bring smart with their money this year, because all the top free agents have major questions about them, and because they are getting major contracts anyway, the lesser players are getting more then they should in a sane year. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

12-13-2005, 01:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	I guess I could agree with you on that the free agent market has many questions about health and ability... However, Toronto at least made a statement that they are willing to do all and beyond to put their team into contention... whether this is wise, we will see... Its like the Mets last year.. They offered both Pedro and Beltran generous offers to pursuade them, and while Beltran wasnt amazing, Pedro was a great catch... The signings made the Mets no longer a punchline in NY, and gave them some "cred" and has allowed them to approach other high profile players in getting them to come to the Mets.. I personally think the Orioles cant sit to give similar offers to players that other teams like the Red Sox and Cardinals give, they need to draw the big names, even if it means overpaying, to give themselves more respect in the future.. __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!!

12-13-2005, 01:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
Dragonknight Insane Location: Hawaii	These guys get paid too damn much any way. They are doing something they love, and making more damn money in a couple of years then MOST people make in ten years. That's just off of there first contract. Your getting paid to play you ass of for a team, not play your ass off if there winning or it they have good people to play with. You choose to go there and play with them suck it up and pay your dues. __________________ Freedom is NOT Free.

12-13-2005, 06:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Toaster126 Extreme moderation Location: Kansas City, yo.	I don't see why professional sports call the agreements between players and teams contracts. Either side can stop following the contract at any time... coaches can cut players, players can sit out. We need a better word. __________________ "The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand) "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck)

12-12-2005, 08:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	So Tejada acted like an ass. The thing is that with about $50 million left on his contract, he has the best contract of any superstar player. The O's did a great job with him.

12-12-2005, 08:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	Baltimore can't play that poor us card. The most they will ever pay Tejada is $13M.

12-13-2005, 07:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I don't know about the other sports but in baseball the contract is solid. The team is financially obligated to pay no matter what. They can't cut a guy and then not pay them. The only way out would be if a player refuses to play, then they can void it due to breach.

12-16-2005, 01:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	yeah,, in the NFL you can cut, whenever, and finish the contract.. which may make the players work harder... but really does give the organization much more power. Thats one of hte reasons i was kinda behind TO... cuz while he gets paid a lot of money.. nothing in the NFL is guaranteed... you gotta make money in one year, cant look beyond that... but yea, ... athletes get paid wayyy too much... As much as I love Jeter... 19M is insane for playin Baseball as a living.. and thats not even his endorsements.. __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!!