djtestudo

...coming very soon.

http://www.orioleshangout.com/forums...ad.php?t=24586

I'm posting the thread here for two reasons: one, because of a couple sources listed inside; and two, because of two OTHER threads posted inside with the same subject from completely different places.

This is VERY interesting. The rumors have been flying around since Palmeiro was suspended, even to the point of being reported (as "rumors flying around" ) on several radio and television sources.

I don't think it is fair to make any real speculation yet, but what I find interesting is that the one name that keeps coming up, either by specific insinuation or actual name-dropping, is Roger Clemens.

My main question to ask here would be, what would be your reaction if Clemens, or some other no-doubt Hall-of-Famer, was suspended?

I know that many were quick to crucify Palmeiro (especially with his lack of response, which I have my own source on that matter), but there was already some doubt on his place in baseball history. Would the same be said for a guy like Clemens, or Ken Griffey, or Manny Ramirez, or Randy Johnson, or Pedro Martinez?

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--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

pan6467

Interesting. I find it sad people would actually be happy, but such is sports.

If Clemens or any shoo-in was popped, I definately would still say suspend for 1 year withhold all pay. (But I'm one who believes that the punishment now is far far too lenient, If they feel the need to do them they need to face the consequences.)

However, as it is, the played would get suspended, there'd be some nasty press, he'd do his 10 day suspension and come ballot time, he'll work the pr routes and do everything asked and get elected and nothing big will ever be said.

As for one of the posts on the one board that claims he's having his best year in his 40's and this proves it.... well Nolan Ryan was far better in his later years, and the reason is, when a fireballer comes up he believes he can just sling it in there. But he lacks control and his ERA is sporadic as are all his stats except K's.

As a fireballer matures, if he is a great pitcher (Ryan, Feller, Clemens, Johnson, Carlton) they become finesse pitchers also and once they get the finesse and control down, and their velocity is there, they are very dominant.

With training and our lives today, players don't age as fast as they used to, the ones that live the high life or don't train well do but someone like Ryan or Johnson or Clemens, who train hard and work hard can play longer.

We know more about the body, medicine, workout routines and rehabs are far superior to those old ways and therefore players can play longer and stay in shape longer.

Even the David Wells' fat alcoholic out of shape slobs can last longer because of the benefits mentioned above.

So for people to say that because of Clemens' performances at his age prove he is juiced is a bit of a jump.

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pan6467

PS.... from reading the posts on the links it also sounds to me like some O fans wishful thinking, but we shall see.

I seriously doubt "a very very famous baseball writer" is going to tell anybody info like that, because if it came out he told someone then his name would be shit and noone in the business would trust him. And obviously the people that were "told in confidence" are spreading it fast. Also if it were false and his name came out as having spread rumors that a player popped.... you could be looking at slander and/or libel.

Too much for any true reporter in the know to lose not enough to gain by telling anyone who the next to pop would be.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

djtestudo

Fair enough.

I just thought it was interesting info to put out there

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"Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen."
--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

pan6467

It's great info and talking points and I look forward to other peoples opinions on it.

This is one of the best baseball threads in a while.

It's a great "what if" and obviously there are rumors going and you never know, Clemens and Damon may get popped.

I do think 1 or 2 more stars will get popped before the season ends. MLB is desperately looking for scapegoats and to show congress "see our testing works, we don't need any interference".

Do I have any ideas who may get popped..... I think we'll see someone like a Dmitri Young get it and then someone like a Brian Giles or an up and comer like a Hank Blalock or Texeira get popped.

If a star pitcher does get popped my feelings are it'll be Schilling, Oswald or Wood.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

dylanmarsh

For pitchers, I'll put my money on Wickman, Westbrook, Ramon Ortiz, and Weathers. For hitters, I'll say Dunn, Hafner, V-Mart and Coco.

pan6467

Pick on my Ohio teams will ya.......

The pitchers you mention, with the exception of Ortiz, I don't see.... lol especially Wickman.

As for Hafner and Coco very doubtful. V-Mart could be a possibility as his #'s have seriously dropped then risen.

Dunn, I'm still not sure of, I'd love to say no, but anymore who knows.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

djtestudo

Interestingly enough, another source posted in that thread two completely different names, neither of whom would be as important as others mentioned.

Also mentioned was that info would come out tomorrow.

I guess we need to wait and see.

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"Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen."
--Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

pan6467

Gagne and Eckstein? Well, if 2 names need to come up why not?

Although the quote from your Baltimore writer is very interesting.

A shoo-in for the HOF and a possible, that will bring baseball to its knees... does make one think what the names could be and what the reaction would truly be.

(Comic relief only)

What if it's Clemens AND Piazza? Do they blame each other?

I'm sitting here thinking who are shoo-ins, whicj players are definate locks?

Johnson
Schilling
Clemens
JR
A-Rod
Sosa
Glavine
Maddux
Bonds
Pujols
Martinez

Then who are the possibles:

Thome
Vizquel
Sheffield
Bagwell
Biggio
Smoltz
Brown
Pudge
Big Hurt
Guerrero
Piazza

Then look to see who if named would bring baseball to it's knees..... this means a beloved player who has a pretty clean image......

From the shoo-in list, for me, it narrows it down to:

Glavine
Maddux
A-Rod (borderline)
Pujols

from the almost:

Guerrero

Since Glavine and Maddux are declining and have been ..... I doubt it

If it's A-Rod then they just say he was greedy

If it's Pujols......... That would hurt baseball moreso than any name up ther. He's the next great superstar.

So my thinking and narrowing the list down and based on the writer's quote, I have come up with:

Pujols and Guerrero.

And if those 2 popped it would destroy any of baseball's credibility.

(/end Comic Relief)

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

pan6467

I checked the Cleveland.com Indians forum and they mentioned noone... Clemens but I am beginning to truly believe that is nothing more than internet rumors started by someone and spread like fire because he's either loved or hated and there's no in between.

However, someone did pass on a Yankees link and it seems a lot of Yank fans are praying it's not A-Rod...... hmmmmmm

and interestingly enough Pujols' name is being mentioned..... and seriously I was just joking around .....

Tomorrow will prove to be interesting if all this is true.

LINK: http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...5&page=1&pp=45

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"