Kubz18

any poker fans out there, i know there craze is at an all time high

but i was reading yahoo news this morning and once again a first time apperacnce guy wins the 7.5 million 1st place prize

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050716/...r_world_series
an autralian no less too

also heres the final standing of the final event if anyone is interested

http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/ws...6023&SUBMIT=Go

strange i looked all around tfp and i couldnt find any poker topics that arent more than a year old... im hopeing its just a fluke, not that you all hate poker and im striking a never with most of you?

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Kurant

I play online, and in local tournaments alot. I like to think of myself as a pretty decent player. I learned online, losing a little bit of money, but after about the first 7-8 months, I steadliy do well in small Sit'n'go's on PokerStars. I'll just say all in all, on PS I'm ahead of what I put in and lost.

I will go out on a limb and tell you a pro will never, ever win another Main Even at the WSOP. Lots of those guys out there earn spots through online poker. And I will say online poker is not even close to a live game. Those pro's have alot of trouble reading guys with really no clue on a live table.

Fossilman showed he was no fluke, finishing 25th, thats very surprising. He also had 2 very strong showings in Europe since his WSOP win. The worst I've seen him play was his meltdown on the champion of champions table after the WSOP.

Kubz18

i agree with you about raymer hes not really a fluke, but look at 2002 winner robet vayrkonie(sp?) he hasnt finished in a money in any tourny since 2003 even doyle brunson went so far to call him a "bad player" and "a fluke" hes actually went back to being a stock day trader...but thats not the only example

chris moneymaker- a great example of an amateur winning and now hes trying to be a pro but people are catching on to him not in the money in the last 2 wsop's plus if anyone watched him in poker superstars 2 he not only didnt win any of the 6 matches he played in he didnt even get higher than 4th out of 6.. he finished i belive in last out of the 24 pros

but i agree that maybe a pro wont win anytime soon but they well be the ones that will be more consistant look at phil ivey, he finished 10th in 2003 in the money last year and 20th this year,

bottom line pros will be consistant and amatures will be more likely to have a one and done type career..

but who knows

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goddfather40

Totally agree with everyone's points. The only well known person at the final table in the main event was Mike Matusow, who finished 9th. Matusow has had a decent run the last couple years in the main event.

I actually think Moneymaker is a decent player, I was just watching his performance at the WPT Shooting Stars, where he finished second at a final table which included Phil Gordon.

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AVoiceOfReason

Oh, great, we'll be "entertained" by Matusow in the upcoming coverage on ESPN, then. I was hoping he and Hellmuth would both get early exits, as well as the punk that came in third last year. I'm actually happy I can't remember his name, but he's the one that threw a fit when a guy called him when he was on a draw and was a 4-1 underdog, saying it was a lousy call. What a jerk he was.

I guess it shows that I can't stand poor sportsmanship, huh?

Arrgghhh, I just thought of it--Josh Arias or something like that.

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AVoiceOfReason

He's the guy that kept winning with a 10-Q or some such hand, and no, he's not done much lately.

Well, someone's got to finish last in those things, and as they were set up, if you got behind early, you had to take chances that a prudent player would pass on--a sort of nothing-to-lose approach, because if you finished out of the cut, it didn't make a lot of difference if you missed by one slot or 8.

And Moneymaker's made the final of at least one (and maybe two, I'm not sure with all the reruns) WTP events. That's an accomplishment, too.

Or Dan Harrington, at the final table in 2003 and 2004.

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Kubz18

yes i missed that one his accomplishment doing that is amazing considering the odds


i think one of the things you have to remember poker is kinda like golf for how it deals with amatures....in poker alot of them are young and once they win they might become professionals although there isnt as many amatures in golf that do that well at some point all of these guys were amateurs

ohh at mathsow finished 9th, first out at the final table so we wont have to hear him bitching and crying for very long ....and goddfather i agree with you about josh ariea he is a great example of the guy at the table that pisses you off and pretends like he knows everything,...hes just plaing annoying

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fightnight

I actually heard Matusow was pretty toned down this year. If you run a search he went to jail this year for like 7 months. The guy sounds to be a pretty big scumbag, running drugs and whatnot. Can't wait for it on TV!!

Shizukana

Josh Arieh is his name. He's actually much nicer now, he's apologized to the people he insulted last year during the World Series and has become decent friends with David Williams, Daniel Negreanu, and that crowd. The WPT Borgata from this past season was amazing - the final six were Arieh, Negreanu, Williams, Phil Ivey, Syracuse Chris, and an amateur... that's an amazingly fun final table to watch.

Anyway - Raymer definately was not a fluke, Moneymaker even wasn't so much as Varkonyi was... Moneymaker has won or final-tabled in some decent sized tourneys as of late... and I even saw him win a tourney on PStars the other night for an extra 11k. Varkonyi was a total fluke though - you could tell watching his coverage the next year that he just didn't have it, whereas we'll get to see Raymer's table become the ESPN featured table on Day 1. He goes from 4k short-stacked to over 45k within a few hours at that table!

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Jocose

Well, Moneymaker is in last place in the Poker SuperStars II. Raymer seems like he does have good game.

Personally, I'd like to see Chris "Jesus" Ferguson win some more bracelets this year. It was nice to see him in both of the final tables at this years circuit events. As much as I hate Phil Hellmuth, he is one hell of a poker player and I would expect to see him win another final table or two.

Who I'd really love to see make it to some final tables is Sam Farha, Dan Harrington (who I model my game after), Doyle Brunson and Johnny Chan. Those guys have such a masterful game.

Speaking of which. I need to get to work so I can get ready for my home game tonight.

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Kurant

Doyle and Chan got their 10th bracelets this year if I'm not mistaken.

Shizukana

Yes, they did... which I'm sure pissed Hellmuth off to no end! He said all last year that he wanted to be the first to 10 bracelets. ;D

This year was definately the year of the pro in regards to the WSOP - a vast majority of the winners this year were semi-famous to world-famous pros... from Doyle and Johnny Chan to Allen Cunningham, Josh Arieh (who DESTROYED his final table in PLO), Mark Seif, JohnnyBax, etc. LOTS of pros won bracelets.

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