NHL rejects NHLPA's cap
 

This is out of hand... the players balked and offered a cap, and the league rejects it:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=114925

Well I guess that's that then.

I am consoling myself with this thought:

"The loss of the NHL is not the loss of Hockey."

If they don't agree on a deal today...this is absurd. if you can't talk through a gap of just 12 million dollars with - at the time of this post - 22 hours to go, you're not trying.

I already want Bettman and Goodenow's jobs for this farcical negotiation process. If the NHL and NHLPA won't STFU and bargain their way through this then I say screw them and start broadcasting AHL games, they've got a better working on ice product from the looks of it anyway.

yeah, 12 million dollars difference isn't enough to force a cancellation of a season.

total bullshit

Cancel the season, these talks are only for show anyway, make it look like each side has actually tried.

I'm sick of the NHL soap opera cancel the damn thing already. I'll just have to check out some 67's games I guess, oh well at least the kids still love the game, not like the over payed babies in the NHL.

According to the increasingly larengytis-afflicted EJ Hradik, they are VERY close, and basically this money is all the difference in the deal, and if they get closer could push the 1 PM deadline back a little more.

The league's final offer is on the table and the NHLPA has until 11 a.m. to accept or reject it. Either way, I personally can't wait to see what happens.

BRING ON THE NEWS CONFERENCE! :D

42.5 million, only 8 teams were over the 40 million cap with the 24% rollback, i can't imagine the players getting a better deal then the 42.5 million take it or leave it.. Probably brings teh teams over the cap down to 6 or so, anyone have the payroll figures?

whaat
why not just go with the 52 million cap
I think that's totally reasonable
the smaller market teams can easily afford 35-40 million, so they wouldn't really be that far behind, a star or two, and 52 million keeps things interesting come free-agent/trade deadline time

http://www.forbes.com/2004/11/10/04nhland.html has got payrolls

after looking at the payrolls there, the 42 million would shake up about 7 teams. (they would be 20 million over the cap!!) holy shit man.. Most teams are well under the 40 million a year cap.. Should be interetsing to see how they will sort things out once the cap is in place (since it seems it will) i don't really see how they could play this year even if they settled tommrow.. Finaces would be a mess for the rangers. detroit.. and some of the other teams.

I can see the NHL (being the asshats that they are) forcing the teams who are over the cap to either restructure deals or to cut their teams so that they're under the cap. I hate to see it happen, but at least its hockey.

Detroit aren't in that bad shape really... in the short term anyway. Hull is out the door, CuJo can probably be waived, guys like Chelios and Yzerman are close to retirement anyway and would probably accept less money. Replacing them on the other hand...

Cujo should have never been signed to begin with, he's only shaken Legace's confidence. Chelios can be replaced by Niklas Kronwall (AHL) he's PHENOMENOL. He made the AHL all-star game and he plays sweet defense and has a better offensive up-side than nick lidstrom.

the big cap problems are people like Hatcher and Lang (hatcher i think is 5 years 55 million, lang gets 5 mil a season because of the huge contract washington gave him).

players have offered a 49 million cap.. i think it will be a done deal (not saying it will be 49 m) by the deadline tommrow..

I'll guess they'll come together in the $45-46M range

if the NHL comes back and says "46m" its a deal and if its not, you won't see the nhl play again until the owners use scabs.

NHL rejects NHLPA's 49m.

Boourns. This is total bullshit.

I want hockey

Then don't spend to the fucking $49M limit asshole.

I find it incredibly frustrating that the NHL isn't playing right now because the owners lack the discipline to enforce a salary cap on their own by not offering such high contracts.

If the owners truly cared about the league that much, they would offer better revenue sharing. Yes, the Rangers for instance get more in TV revenue than the Canucks, but the rangers get no money without the other team playing.

I think at least one third of all revenue from the home team should go to the visiting team. Or at least a way to keep the league closer to parity salary wise. If there is a salary cap, there should be a salary floor, so that there is a minimum team salary too, so that owners don't just rake in the $ by taking the shared revenue and not investing it in the team.

But that's just me.

there is, I think its something like 29 or something to that effect.

AAAAAND the NHLPA has officially said "You will get nothing else from us"


And there's the fat lady singing

It's all posturing, I think. To get Bettman to move from that $42.5m figure. If he gives a shit about the stupid expansion teams he created HE DAMN WELL BETTER MAKE AN IMPROVED OFFER.

would really suck if the difference was 6.5 mill.. they have halved it once, do it again!..

You know Spartak, I honestly believe that too. If Edmonton or Calgary were to falter at this point, I think we would see Canadians step in to help, in some manner. Theres TWO disgruntled ownership groups in Vancouver and one in Winnipeg that I can think of, and I'm not the hockey guru I pretend to be. When teams start folding, its going to be the Yankee expension teams. Its a bummer, but its true.

i hear all this expansion teams are bad for hockey and such and think its some nonsense, when this situation isn't caused by the expansion teams, but the established teams with huge budgets, and the ones that aren't making money.. the expansion teams seem to do ok (hurricanes having alittle trouble), i think because they know they can't risk spending too much, otherwise they'd be in trouble if the team sucked that year.. (which in some cases it does)

But teams not in hockey markets are going to be hurt by the lockout the most, the casual fans will think: "You know what, after all this bullshit I'd rather go to a basketball/baseball game than a hockey game". And I doubt the 30 game season is going to get them pumped.

Dunno about that.. the beauty of the NHL is the Cup Playoffs. a 30 game season and full playoffs means a team will possibly win only a few more reg season games than the 16 it takes to hoist the Cup (which I have kissed).

Imagine if they expand the playoffs this year and let all teams in adding a round.. then it would be 20 wins.

the whole thing is stupid and crazy. bettman should never have been put in as the commisioner of the league. along with that some of the expansion teams imo didnt need a team (no offense to the teams or their fans that im about to list) for example atlanta, florida could do with only one team california doesnt need 3 teams, new york could possibly get by with 1 team instead of 2 and nashville wasnt ready for hockey. again no offense to the fans or the teams mentioned.

just my 2 cents.

edit: if they did i think they should just go straight into the format and not even play the 28 games. if each series would be the standard 7 games it could be a long time depending on how many games it takes for teams to win.

new york has three teams, remember. Buffalo, nyi, and nyr.


as for the others commenting about expansion teams not hurting the league well it goes like this: its been projected that even with a cap teams like: phoenix, florida, carolina, anaheim, nashville, ottowa, buffalo and maybe even san jose could go under even WITH a salary cap. stop for a second, and look at all of those teams outside of buffalo and ottowa, what do they have in common? they have no business being in hockey.

season is canceled, no deal..

yup =( they were getting so close too

I love how he's taking this opportunity (the press conference) to offend the players and paint them as the bad guys. He's such a jackass. they're both in the wrong and he won't even acknowledge that.

roflmao


"you've heard no finality from us (the NHL)"

does anyone else recall: "this is our final offer" "this is our last offer there is no time for negotiations"? that sounds a WHOLE lot like finality.

It's over: http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=115107&hubName=nhl

Fuck you Bettman.

I know things have been bad all along but I can't believe they actually did it.
No season, no playoffs, no Stanley Cup winner? Maybe by this time next year they'll be close to playing again :(

I'm excited at the prospects of a stronger 05/06 season. This cancellation was necessary, and as Bettman says if the NHLPA caved earlier we would have had a deal by now.

Fuck the players. I'm totally sided with the owners now.

You greedy bastards said you would NEVER accept a cap? Then at the 11th hour you say "oh yeah, here's our cap proposal" When there is absolutley no time left to do proper negotiations.

WHERE THE FUCK WAS THAT LAST SUMMER!?!?!? ARGHHHHHHH

I have to agree Ace, and some of the players are asking the same thing, if a cap is acceptable now why not 8 months ago? Personally I still blame both sides, but the players lost some respect with their throwing the cap up in the eleventh hour

bettman as the comissioner should have offered 45m at the end he said that he was tired of reaching out. as the comissioner he should have done everything possible to save the season. his comment that the union needed to reach out this late just improved his jackass rating.

at least it was a try, more than the league had done. it showed that the players wanted to get a short season going this year.