Do You Dump Maddux? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Hanxter · 04-22-2004, 12:38 PM

3 games
2 losses
15.2 innings - walked 9 - 20 hits - 16 runs - 15 earned - 5 dingers
9 K's
ERA 8.62

he needs only 11 wins for 300 - clemens got his last year and is on fire - maddux is only 36...

he's one of my favorite mound men and you have clement, wood and zambrano with prior in the wings - do you trade him or keep him?

absorbentishe · 04-22-2004, 12:52 PM

Personally, I'd keep him for now, but I wouldn't use him unless the match up is favorable, and so far none have been. It's too early to start dropping players in my book.

djtestudo · 04-22-2004, 01:01 PM

He's possibly the best pitcher of his generation not named Clemens. You don't drop him after a couple bad starts. He's a guy who needs PERFECT control. He'll be fine once he get's going.

Mondak · 04-22-2004, 01:45 PM

We are all nuts as sports fans for this even coming up. See what SportsCenter has done to us? Hedonism in sports. . . instant satisfaction.

bond007 · 04-22-2004, 02:49 PM

well, if you're talking fantasy baseball... then I'd at least explore a few trade options!

Hrothgar · 04-23-2004, 12:37 AM

I'd keep him for the knowledge he can impart to the other pitchers. but he has been stinking it up on the mound.

Spartak · 04-23-2004, 02:07 AM

Maybe use his him as a reliever until he gets his rhythm back ?

Craven Morehead · 04-23-2004, 06:08 AM

Don't have the stats in front of me, but I understand he had a similar start last season. Right now, his wins aren't as needed as the ones he will provide in July, Aug. and Sept. That's when I expect his vetern status to pay off. Having him on the bench to mentor the Cubs young staff will be invaluable.

bond007 · 04-23-2004, 06:21 AM

re: dumping Maddux...

real baseball -- keep him.
fantasy baseball -- trade him.

kutulu · 04-23-2004, 10:02 AM

Bench him for the time being. His start last year was very similar. He did rebound.

jobu · 04-23-2004, 11:23 AM

keep him. he isn't the same pitcher he was with the braves but he will still end up getting you 10-12 wins. His real importance is being on the bench where wood, zambrano, clement, and prior will be able to pick his brain. maddux is one of the smartest pitchers to ever play the game and his knowledge is invaluable.

bond007 · 04-23-2004, 12:59 PM

well, so far today, here's his stat line...

6.0IP 6H 1R 1ER 1BB 7K

Cubs are leading 3-1, bottom 6th.

Kurant · 04-23-2004, 04:06 PM

Actully I'd like to see Sergio Mitre get more starts.

Cubbies coulden't ask for a better first 15 games without Prior. Mitre has come up huge, Clement and Zambrano have just been outstanding. Zambrano's control is as good as it's ever been, and he's lost a little speed, but much, much better control.

That's why when everyone was jumping ship on him, I stuck it out. This guy when his control becomes what a Wood or Prior is (if it does, of course) is going to be as good as either of them.

Maddux will be just fine. Cubbies will be just fine.

Goo Cubs!

EbolaVirus · 04-24-2004, 07:35 AM

He pitched very good yesterday.

7 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO

By the end of the year, he will have around 13-15 wins with a solid ERA.

cameroncrazy822 · 05-03-2004, 04:42 AM

NEVER! You'd have to be crazy this early to do that. He's gonna be fine trust me. At thew end of the year he will have very Maddux-like numbers. Maybe even better since he's playing for the Cubs now and they will score runs for him. Stick with him my son and you shall be rewarded.

lazyaznguy · 05-03-2004, 08:11 PM

I don't think Maddux will win more than 10-13 games this year.
His 12 walks in 28 innings really scares me.

Kurant · 05-03-2004, 08:52 PM

That stat is a little skewed considering he had 9 in his first 15 innings. =/

Since then, he's been, Maddux.

EDIT:

BTW, GoooooO Cubbies!

niteowl · 05-03-2004, 09:11 PM

maddux played an excellent game today he might be getting back to his original form.

04-22-2004, 12:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hanxter The Griffin	Do You Dump Maddux? 3 games 2 losses 15.2 innings - walked 9 - 20 hits - 16 runs - 15 earned - 5 dingers 9 K's ERA 8.62 he needs only 11 wins for 300 - clemens got his last year and is on fire - maddux is only 36... he's one of my favorite mound men and you have clement, wood and zambrano with prior in the wings - do you trade him or keep him?

04-22-2004, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	He's possibly the best pitcher of his generation not named Clemens. You don't drop him after a couple bad starts. He's a guy who needs PERFECT control. He'll be fine once he get's going. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

04-22-2004, 01:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	We are all nuts as sports fans for this even coming up. See what SportsCenter has done to us? Hedonism in sports. . . instant satisfaction. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

04-23-2004, 12:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	I'd keep him for the knowledge he can impart to the other pitchers. but he has been stinking it up on the mound. __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.

04-23-2004, 02:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	Maybe use his him as a reliever until he gets his rhythm back ? __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

04-22-2004, 12:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	Personally, I'd keep him for now, but I wouldn't use him unless the match up is favorable, and so far none have been. It's too early to start dropping players in my book.

04-22-2004, 02:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	well, if you're talking fantasy baseball... then I'd at least explore a few trade options!

04-23-2004, 06:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	Don't have the stats in front of me, but I understand he had a similar start last season. Right now, his wins aren't as needed as the ones he will provide in July, Aug. and Sept. That's when I expect his vetern status to pay off. Having him on the bench to mentor the Cubs young staff will be invaluable.

04-23-2004, 06:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	re: dumping Maddux... real baseball -- keep him. fantasy baseball -- trade him.

04-23-2004, 10:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	Bench him for the time being. His start last year was very similar. He did rebound.

04-23-2004, 11:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
jobu Crazy	keep him. he isn't the same pitcher he was with the braves but he will still end up getting you 10-12 wins. His real importance is being on the bench where wood, zambrano, clement, and prior will be able to pick his brain. maddux is one of the smartest pitchers to ever play the game and his knowledge is invaluable.

04-23-2004, 12:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	well, so far today, here's his stat line... 6.0IP 6H 1R 1ER 1BB 7K Cubs are leading 3-1, bottom 6th.

04-23-2004, 04:06 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Actully I'd like to see Sergio Mitre get more starts. Cubbies coulden't ask for a better first 15 games without Prior. Mitre has come up huge, Clement and Zambrano have just been outstanding. Zambrano's control is as good as it's ever been, and he's lost a little speed, but much, much better control. That's why when everyone was jumping ship on him, I stuck it out. This guy when his control becomes what a Wood or Prior is (if it does, of course) is going to be as good as either of them. Maddux will be just fine. Cubbies will be just fine. Goo Cubs! Last edited by Kurant; 04-23-2004 at 04:12 PM..

04-24-2004, 07:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
EbolaVirus Insane Location: Michigan	He pitched very good yesterday. 7 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO By the end of the year, he will have around 13-15 wins with a solid ERA. __________________ "The difference between a nice time and a great time is an extra finger." - Dave Attell

05-03-2004, 04:42 AM	#15 (permalink)
cameroncrazy822 Junkie Location: MD	NEVER! You'd have to be crazy this early to do that. He's gonna be fine trust me. At thew end of the year he will have very Maddux-like numbers. Maybe even better since he's playing for the Cubs now and they will score runs for him. Stick with him my son and you shall be rewarded.

05-03-2004, 08:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
lazyaznguy Upright	I don't think Maddux will win more than 10-13 games this year. His 12 walks in 28 innings really scares me.

05-03-2004, 08:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	That stat is a little skewed considering he had 9 in his first 15 innings. =/ Since then, he's been, Maddux. EDIT: BTW, GoooooO Cubbies! Last edited by Kurant; 05-03-2004 at 09:01 PM..

05-03-2004, 09:11 PM	#18 (permalink)
niteowl Addict Location: Georgia	maddux played an excellent game today he might be getting back to his original form.