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bish 01-04-2004 08:12 AM

Manning/McNair share MVP?
 
Maybe I'm missing it, but why isn't there any discussion about the "Co-MVP" award given to McNair and Manning?

Let's see, Manning beat Tennessee twice, the Titans won games easily with a QB nobody had ever heard of and one that was sitting on his couch for the first 15 weeks of the season!!

Yeah, McNair really deserved that MVP award. The Titans defense being one of the best in the NFL had nothing to do with their success. What a joke!!

Maybe Rush Limbaugh should have said substituted McNabb (who should easliy be the NFC MVP) with McNair..........

gov135 01-04-2004 08:20 AM

I've never understood why we always need just one everything in our society. I, for example, think its just fine that USC and the LSU/Oklahoma winner can be co-champs. They had great seasons and deserve it.

I don't have a problem with Manning and McNair being co-MVP's. McNair is one of the best all-around football players in the NFL. He plays hurt, can beat you multiple ways, and is a good guy on top of it all.

If you need just one, though, its tough to argue with bish. Manning deserves alot of credit for Indy's offensive output - he calls his own plays alot of the time for goodness sake. And he's every bit as integral to the success of his team as McNair is to his.

bish 01-04-2004 08:28 AM

I also think McNair is one of the best QB's in the game, but this was not his best season. When you compare his season to Manning's, Peyton's was clearly better. Personally, I would have voted for Jamal Lewis as MVP, then Manning second and Brady third.

djtestudo 01-04-2004 10:34 AM

Yeah, the fact that Steve McNair had a great year despite a Baltimore-esque receiving corps and the bare remains of Eddie George's career, plus he won't agree to leave a game unless he is clinically dead, none of that is important to the Titans' success.

Wake me when Manning wins a real important game.

bish 01-04-2004 11:25 AM

Well, since the MVP is awarded based on regular season play, Manning won 2 pretty important games this year.........both against Tennessee.

We all saw how "poorly" Tennessee played without McNair this year...........2 blowout wins with below average QB's.

djtestudo 01-04-2004 12:21 PM

Voleck (sp?) isn't a "below-average" QB. And Neil O'Donnall was playing against a Tampa team that just didn't give a shit anymore.

I'd take McNair over Manning any day. Manning is flashy, but McNair gets the job done.

bish 01-04-2004 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by djtestudo
but McNair gets the job done.

Except against Manning!!

Strange Famous 01-04-2004 01:05 PM

I thought Brady should have been MVP

Spartak 01-04-2004 03:37 PM

P. Manning 21/25 371 yards 5 TDs

And were not even in the 4th quarter yet... the co-MVP is putting on a quiet a show.

omega2K4 01-04-2004 11:53 PM

McNair is one of the toughest sons of bitches in the NFL, he deserved the MVP award all to himself.

BigGov 01-05-2004 12:03 AM

McNair is co-MVP because he just wins. He creates plays where there is nothing, and he does it consistantly. He was basically the entire Titans offense, and he did it while injured for most of the year.

It's like two years ago when McNabb should have been MVP when he took the Eagles to the NFC championship game when his best (and only) receiver was Chad Lewis and his best running back (Duce) was injured. Not to mention his line was suspect, especially Runyon who basically rolled over and played dead in every single big game.

guthmund 01-05-2004 10:31 AM

I'm more upset about the fact they've chosen a co-mvp then who they chose.

If you're going to choose a "most valuable player" then choose one. ONE! One of them had to be better than the other. They both couldn't simply be the two most valuable players in the game.

Choosing co-anything (especially in sports where #1 reigns supreme) is a wishy-washy way of saying we didn't have the sack big enough to make a command decision and actually choose.

Manning had a good year; McNair had a good year; one of them had to be better at something than the other.

Same rant applies to this co-champion thing in the BCS. They put themselves in position to make this decision then grow a pair and make the damn thing.

djtestudo 01-05-2004 10:35 AM

Um...you do realize that "co-MVP" comes from all the different writers voting from all over the country, and two guys ending up with the same # of votes? It isn't like someone goes "Dammit I can't decide! I'll vote both!"

bigoldalphamale 01-05-2004 01:38 PM

take manning away from the colts...they blow.
take mcnair away from the titans...they could still contend.

manning is much more valuable to his team, and is statistically, far and away the better (best) quarterback. all other arguements are nil.

Shpoop 01-05-2004 03:57 PM

but as bish stated, the titans had to play a couple of games without him, and still man-handled their opponents

im sure they may not have been trying that much, but when manning was taken out at the end of the playoff game... the colts sucked!

and btw, tom brady sucks

guthmund 01-05-2004 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by djtestudo
Um...you do realize that "co-MVP" comes from all the different writers voting from all over the country, and two guys ending up with the same # of votes? It isn't like someone goes "Dammit I can't decide! I'll vote both!"

No, I had no idea how that worked :p

There should be some sort of contingency plan for just this situation. I really don't care how they do it.

Just do it.

The term MVP implies a single player. The singular most valuable player in the game this year. If it can't be done, maybe they should just rename the award to "a couple of guys who were all real good and did some good things of equal valor and standing."

Of course that would be rather long to slap on a trophy....maybe a plaque. :)

Spartak 01-06-2004 12:07 AM

Use the NFL tiebreakers:

Lets see, games vs each other first... Manning wins.

dragon2fire 01-06-2004 12:15 AM

manning is a smarter qb then mcnair


he call his own plays at the line for gods sake



i will admint that mcnair is a tougher qb


he is tough as nails

BigGov 01-06-2004 12:17 AM

QB's vs. QB's is like comparing Allen Iverson to Eric Lindros. It's completely pointless because they don't play against each other.

Without Manning the Colts could very likely contend. They have a great set of running backs, a good set of receivers, and a receiver that runs the best routes in the NFL and has the best pair of hands to match.

The Titans on the other hand have a washed up running back, and some iffy receivers.

The reason why there were Co-MVP's is that no one really stepped out this year, leading some people to vote by numbers and others to vote by gut. The result, one of each.

H12 01-12-2004 06:38 PM

I'm fine with the two co-MVP's, though I don't like the fact that there are co-MVP's. Of course, I'm a huge Titans and UT fan, so it's only natural I support Mcnair and Manning.

If I HAD to pick, I'd go with McNair, but it's a tough one either way.


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