A-Rod for Manny... this will happen. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

goppers · 11-19-2003, 08:14 PM

I'm almost sure this is going to happen, but I don't think it's a good idea for either team. This is what i hear.

Arod - really wants this to happen and is really starting to pressure the texas front office.

Manny - who knows what manny thinks, but Boras is telling texas that he would love to go there.

Sox GM - seems on board. This would let him trade nomar away for some pitching, try to trade for another Ortiz type that could play left field, and still maybe have some cash left over.

Texas GM - is the person holding this up, but eventually Hicks will probably get to him and let him know that cutting 60 million in the long run is a good idea. Hicks is losing a fortune both on his baseball team, but his hockey team as well. He has to save money, and this is probably the best deal he will find.

that said I'm really not sure how much this will help either team.

(also, im sort of new here, so if i post too much boston related junk someone slap me)

goddfather40 · 11-19-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by goppers
This would let him trade nomar away for some pitching, try to trade for another Ortiz type that could play left field, and still maybe have some cash left over.

The Dodgers have plenty of pitching and Nomar grew up in the LA area, so the Dodgers are probably at the top of Nomar's list if A-Rod is picked up in Boston. I would like to see Nomar back home so I am rooting for the A-Rod/Manny trade to go down.

But, the Dodgers don't have the Ortiz type I guess and the management has made some bonehead trades lately (see the Karros/Grudezilanek deal).

A-Rod in Fenway would be killer, I think he could win a triple crown playing there.

djtestudo · 11-19-2003, 09:25 PM

Texas doesn't need Manny, it needs pitching prospects and money to spend on pitchers.

I still think that, if the Rangers pick up a fair portion of the contract, the Orioles would give up one of their top prospects and a couple lewsser ones for him.

Kurant · 11-20-2003, 06:21 AM

Texas will not trade for Manny. They'd be crazy. It would take alot more then Manny to convince me to trade A-Rod, who right now, IMO is the best offensive threat in baseball.

A-Rod may go to Boston, but Nomar and pitchers will be involved.

djtestudo · 11-20-2003, 07:27 AM

I could easily see a deal where Texas sends A-Rod and Michael Young to Boston for Nomar, Pedro, and a quality pitching prospect.

Texas replaces their SS with another great one, gets a great starting pitcher for at least a year, a prospect, and loses A-Rod's contract.

Boston gets a better SS and a really good young 2b, and doesn't have to worry about Pedro anymore.

It's very unlikely, true, but it would work for both teams, especially if Boston could deal Manny for something.

dylanmarsh · 11-20-2003, 09:21 AM

Personally, I'm sick of Manny and Pedro. They are slowly but surely becoming the Keyshawn Johnson's of the baseball world.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't John Hart the current GM in Texas? The same John Hart would was the GM in Cleveland and had a great friendship with Manny back in the day?

For this reason, I could see a Manny for A-rod trade. I seriously doubt the Sox will part with Pedro but will probably let him go in free agency. I would be deeply saddened to see Nomar leave, but baseball is a business and sometimes it has to work that way.

Aside from all these big names, BK Kim seems to have been forgotten completely in the media and in Boston. He makes next to nothing and does next to nothing. I could see him being thrown-in to a Manny-Arod deal.

goppers · 11-20-2003, 09:30 AM

When I think about how much money a team would have to pick up in order to take ARod (or manny when i think about him) I try to picture what Vlad is going to get in FA. He is ALMOST the player ARod is, but you don't have to give away prospects or players to get him. I don't picture him getting any more than15 mil in the market. Going by that Texas would have to pay at least 10 mil a year for 6 (or is it 7)years for Arod not to play for them. If they only pay that much a team isn't going to give much in the way of prospects because they are still paying a ton for years down the road. I just see baltimore picking up a big FA and keeping their prospects.

Where I agree totally is that Texas needs money and prospects/pitching. I just don't think they are going to get both. I also think Texas needs money more than they need prospects. This is what makes me think that the mets and boston are the two teams that really have a chance at him since they have the most money to burn.

In the long run Arod for Manny saves the Rangers something like 60 million dollars because of difference in cost and lenght of contract. That's the appeal of it for the Rangers. eventually they do get to use that cash for pitching.

About Nomar - The two places I hear talked about the most are LA and the Angels. I'm not sure who they have for pitching though. From the angels I hear washburn and from the dodgers I here perez. perez is young and cheap though so i don't think that would happen. Oh, and I was wrong', I said trade for an ortiz type that could play left field. I ment pick one up in FA. Really they are flexable there though Millar or possibly Kapplar could do a reasonable job out there. I just bet they will find some guy that can hit .280, 20 home runs, and 70 RBI.

huge texas trade - this actually makes sense dollars wise, but I guess there are a few issues. Boston had all the offense in the world last year, it was their pitching that fell short. Also, Pedro is a 10 5 guy and I really think boston is going to make pedro a life long red sox player. I just don't think boston would try to trade away pitching, even if pedro would allow it.

All of this said, I don't know it this really improves the sox or the rangers. It sure would be interesting though.

gov135 · 11-20-2003, 09:59 AM

If such a deal went down, Texas would HAVE to pick up some of the money owed to A-Rod each year.

Some other thoughts.
1. Living in Cleveland, I know John Hart wouldn't know a young pitching prospect if he was hit by a 95 mile an hour fastball. It's not the way Hart builds his teams. His Cleveland teams were built with the idea that you can give up five runs a game, but Cleveland would likely score ten each time out. In short, his strategy is the anti-Billy Beane.
2. Boston is a free agent mess. Theo Epstein and friends really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat this year: so many faces will change. And they shouldn't count on being able to get talent like Ortiz and Mueller at the prices they got it last year - some of this stuff is a big gamble.
3. Texas really, really, really needs pitching. In Cleveland, we are still trying to figure out why John Hart sent us a nice young outfielder for Ryan Drese. Not that we are complaining, mind you.

My final analysis: Although I hate to see players so closely tied to their franchises traded away (Garciaparra), this could be a nice move for Boston if they can get Young as well. A-Rod and Young are already used to each others style of play and should seemlessly fit into Boston.

From the Texas perspective: it's a bonehead move if they can't unload almost all of A-Rod's salary to help them help themselves in other areas.

Finally, its a matter of money. Even Boston can't take on A-Rod's contract in full without making concessions elsewhere. How much salary Texas is willing to pick up is going to be the factor that determines whether or not this trade can be completed.

Esen · 11-23-2003, 05:27 AM

it is impossible that Arod would go to Boston.
It is physiclly impossible.
It couldn t happen even if the everyone wanted it to happen.

I know of two other teams that will fuck up the trade for boston so they would not be able to do it.
if you don t beleive watch and see what happens.
It will be like
arod almost made it to boston but in recent developements....

11-19-2003, 08:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
goppers Tilted	A-Rod for Manny... this will happen. I'm almost sure this is going to happen, but I don't think it's a good idea for either team. This is what i hear. Arod - really wants this to happen and is really starting to pressure the texas front office. Manny - who knows what manny thinks, but Boras is telling texas that he would love to go there. Sox GM - seems on board. This would let him trade nomar away for some pitching, try to trade for another Ortiz type that could play left field, and still maybe have some cash left over. Texas GM - is the person holding this up, but eventually Hicks will probably get to him and let him know that cutting 60 million in the long run is a good idea. Hicks is losing a fortune both on his baseball team, but his hockey team as well. He has to save money, and this is probably the best deal he will find. that said I'm really not sure how much this will help either team. (also, im sort of new here, so if i post too much boston related junk someone slap me)

11-19-2003, 09:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Texas doesn't need Manny, it needs pitching prospects and money to spend on pitchers. I still think that, if the Rangers pick up a fair portion of the contract, the Orioles would give up one of their top prospects and a couple lewsser ones for him. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

11-20-2003, 07:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	I could easily see a deal where Texas sends A-Rod and Michael Young to Boston for Nomar, Pedro, and a quality pitching prospect. Texas replaces their SS with another great one, gets a great starting pitcher for at least a year, a prospect, and loses A-Rod's contract. Boston gets a better SS and a really good young 2b, and doesn't have to worry about Pedro anymore. It's very unlikely, true, but it would work for both teams, especially if Boston could deal Manny for something. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

11-23-2003, 05:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Esen TFPer formaly known as Chauncey Location: North East	it is impossible that Arod would go to Boston. It is physiclly impossible. It couldn t happen even if the everyone wanted it to happen. I know of two other teams that will fuck up the trade for boston so they would not be able to do it. if you don t beleive watch and see what happens. It will be like arod almost made it to boston but in recent developements.... __________________ ~Esen What is everyone doing in my room?

11-20-2003, 06:21 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Texas will not trade for Manny. They'd be crazy. It would take alot more then Manny to convince me to trade A-Rod, who right now, IMO is the best offensive threat in baseball. A-Rod may go to Boston, but Nomar and pitchers will be involved.

11-20-2003, 09:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	Personally, I'm sick of Manny and Pedro. They are slowly but surely becoming the Keyshawn Johnson's of the baseball world. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't John Hart the current GM in Texas? The same John Hart would was the GM in Cleveland and had a great friendship with Manny back in the day? For this reason, I could see a Manny for A-rod trade. I seriously doubt the Sox will part with Pedro but will probably let him go in free agency. I would be deeply saddened to see Nomar leave, but baseball is a business and sometimes it has to work that way. Aside from all these big names, BK Kim seems to have been forgotten completely in the media and in Boston. He makes next to nothing and does next to nothing. I could see him being thrown-in to a Manny-Arod deal.

11-20-2003, 09:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
goppers Tilted	When I think about how much money a team would have to pick up in order to take ARod (or manny when i think about him) I try to picture what Vlad is going to get in FA. He is ALMOST the player ARod is, but you don't have to give away prospects or players to get him. I don't picture him getting any more than15 mil in the market. Going by that Texas would have to pay at least 10 mil a year for 6 (or is it 7)years for Arod not to play for them. If they only pay that much a team isn't going to give much in the way of prospects because they are still paying a ton for years down the road. I just see baltimore picking up a big FA and keeping their prospects. Where I agree totally is that Texas needs money and prospects/pitching. I just don't think they are going to get both. I also think Texas needs money more than they need prospects. This is what makes me think that the mets and boston are the two teams that really have a chance at him since they have the most money to burn. In the long run Arod for Manny saves the Rangers something like 60 million dollars because of difference in cost and lenght of contract. That's the appeal of it for the Rangers. eventually they do get to use that cash for pitching. About Nomar - The two places I hear talked about the most are LA and the Angels. I'm not sure who they have for pitching though. From the angels I hear washburn and from the dodgers I here perez. perez is young and cheap though so i don't think that would happen. Oh, and I was wrong', I said trade for an ortiz type that could play left field. I ment pick one up in FA. Really they are flexable there though Millar or possibly Kapplar could do a reasonable job out there. I just bet they will find some guy that can hit .280, 20 home runs, and 70 RBI. huge texas trade - this actually makes sense dollars wise, but I guess there are a few issues. Boston had all the offense in the world last year, it was their pitching that fell short. Also, Pedro is a 10 5 guy and I really think boston is going to make pedro a life long red sox player. I just don't think boston would try to trade away pitching, even if pedro would allow it. All of this said, I don't know it this really improves the sox or the rangers. It sure would be interesting though.

11-20-2003, 09:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	If such a deal went down, Texas would HAVE to pick up some of the money owed to A-Rod each year. Some other thoughts. 1. Living in Cleveland, I know John Hart wouldn't know a young pitching prospect if he was hit by a 95 mile an hour fastball. It's not the way Hart builds his teams. His Cleveland teams were built with the idea that you can give up five runs a game, but Cleveland would likely score ten each time out. In short, his strategy is the anti-Billy Beane. 2. Boston is a free agent mess. Theo Epstein and friends really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat this year: so many faces will change. And they shouldn't count on being able to get talent like Ortiz and Mueller at the prices they got it last year - some of this stuff is a big gamble. 3. Texas really, really, really needs pitching. In Cleveland, we are still trying to figure out why John Hart sent us a nice young outfielder for Ryan Drese. Not that we are complaining, mind you. My final analysis: Although I hate to see players so closely tied to their franchises traded away (Garciaparra), this could be a nice move for Boston if they can get Young as well. A-Rod and Young are already used to each others style of play and should seemlessly fit into Boston. From the Texas perspective: it's a bonehead move if they can't unload almost all of A-Rod's salary to help them help themselves in other areas. Finally, its a matter of money. Even Boston can't take on A-Rod's contract in full without making concessions elsewhere. How much salary Texas is willing to pick up is going to be the factor that determines whether or not this trade can be completed.