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burntmonkey · 10-15-2003, 04:55 PM

Is there really any argument against the SEC being the best overall conference in the NCAA?

(Of course there is, but just putting a little fuel on the fire!)

gov135 · 10-15-2003, 04:57 PM

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The_Dude · 10-15-2003, 04:58 PM

right.....

i guess u havent heard of the BIG XII

hmm....2 out of the final four teams last year from where?

we all know about big xii football. conference play has lowered the rankings of teh schools, but if i remember right, 3 out of the top 5 teams in the beginning of the year were from the big 12.

Jeff · 10-15-2003, 06:00 PM

7 of the 11 teams in the BIG TEN are ranked in the top 25 poll. I believe that ties some sort of record.

The_Dude · 10-15-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Jeff
7 of the 11 teams in the BIG TEN are ranked in the top 25 poll. I believe that ties some sort of record.

3 of those teams are undefeated in conference play.

if u look @ the last year end's basketball rankings, big 10 had 2 teams ranked.

djtestudo · 10-15-2003, 06:52 PM

ACC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Artermis · 10-16-2003, 07:46 AM

SEC is not the best all around confernce...that would be the PAC10.

SEC is a great football and basketball confernce with some good track programs.

Big Ten is a great football, basketball, hockey, volleyball, swimming and wrestling.

Big 12 is a great football, basketball, wrestling and baseball confernce.

ACC is a great basketball and soccer confernce (football is missing a couple of teams).

Big East is a great basketball confernce.

PAC10 is a great football, basketball, softball, baseball, track, volleyball and all other water sports.

The other conferences are just good except for Rice who won the NCAA baseball last year.

PAC10 is the best all around sports confernce.

Art

Artermis · 10-16-2003, 08:04 AM

This is from the director's cup 2002-2003

1. Stanford (Cal.) 1420.5 (PAC10)
2. Texas 1094 (BigXII)
3. Ohio State 1074.75 (Big Ten)
4. Michigan 1034.25 (Big Ten)
5. Penn State 993 (Big Ten)
6. California-Los Angeles 943.75 (PAC10)
7. Florida 935.75 (SEC)
8. North Carolina 933.5 (ACC)
9. California 884.75 (PAC10)
10. Arizona State 860.75 (PAC10)
11. Minnesota 845 (Big Ten)
12. Auburn (Ala.) 822.75 (SEC)
13. Notre Dame (Ind.) 822.5 (Big East/Ind)
13. Southern California 822.5 (PAC10)
15. Georgia 784.75 (SEC)
16. Arizona 760 (PAC10)
17. Washington 732 (PAC10)
18. South Carolina 701 (SEC)
19. Virginia 690 (ACC)
20. Oklahoma 643.25 (Big XII)
21. Duke (N.C.) 643 (ACC)
22. Maryland 620.5 (ACC)
23. LSU 597.25 (SEC)
24. Nebraska 596.5 (Big XII)
25 Wisconsin 579 (Big Ten)

Conference breakdown:

PAC10- 7 schools total points-6424.25
Big Ten- 5 schools total points-4526
SEC- 5 teams tp- 3841.5
ACC- 4 teams tp 2887
Big XII- 3 tp- 2333.75
Big East- 1 tp- 822.5

This shows that the PAC10 is first and Big Ten is 2nd with SEC a close third.

Dude while you overstate how good the Big XII is again by coming in 5th at least your Texas has the 2nd best all around program..

Art

The_Dude · 10-16-2003, 08:20 AM

I know how the director's cup tallies up points.

they look through every single sport that the university plays. stanford prolly plays like a shitload of sports that UT doesnt play. i was just referring to the major sports (football, basketball (both mens and womens, baseball)

that's about all that gets any kind of tv coverage.

UT's sports are

FOOTBALL
M BASKETBALL
W BASKETBALL
BASEBALL
SOCCER
VOLLEYBALL
SOFTBALL
SWIMMING/DIVING
TRACK & FIELD/XC
TENNIS
GOLF
ROWING
(all i could find on texassports.com)

Stanford on the other hand has

Baseball (650) 723-4528
Basketball - Men (650) 723-0562
Basketball - Women (650) 723-0284
Crew - Women (650) 725-0749
Crew - Women Lightweight (650) 724-2452
Crew - Men (650) 725-0748
Cross Country - Men & Women (650) 723-2736
Diving - Men & Women (650) 723-9159
Fencing - Men & Women (650) 725-3587
Field Hockey (650) 725-0751
Football (650) 723-4511
Golf - Men (650) 323-0939
Golf - Women (650) 323-0938
Gymnastics - Men (650) 723-9591
Gymnastics - Women (650) 725-6143
Lacrosse - Women (650) 725-1994
Sailing (650) 723-2811
Soccer - Men (650) 723-9375
Soccer - Women (650) 725-9884
Softball (650) 725-0736
Swimming - Men (650) 723-4416
Swimming - Women (650) 736-0923
Synchronized Swimming (650) 725-0128
Tennis - Men (650) 723-1160
Tennis - Women (650) 723-9540
Track & Field - Men & Women (650) 723-2736
Volleyball - Men (650) 725-0763
Volleyball - Women (650) 723-1997
Water Polo - Men (650) 723-1874
Water Polo - Women (650) 725-9016
Wrestling (650) 723-9486

I'm sorry, but a water polo championship should in no way be equal to a football/baseball national championship.

burntmonkey · 10-16-2003, 08:26 AM

I love all you Texans. I never knew a good Texan who did not also own a full-sized Texas flag and display it proudly in his or her living room.

Artermis · 10-16-2003, 11:55 AM

why not dude? Just because one has more exposure than the other does not make it any less competitive.

I think that the reason you only find those on the site is because them are the only ones they are any good at...well they should be taking football off at anytime...

Art

mml · 10-16-2003, 12:34 PM

If you look at sports OVERALL, there is not doubt that the PAC 10 is the strongest as was clearly pointed out by Art. Thank you sir.

The_Dude · 10-16-2003, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Artermis
why not dude? Just because one has more exposure than the other does not make it any less competitive.

I think that the reason you only find those on the site is because them are the only ones they are any good at...well they should be taking football off at anytime...

Art

no, cuz most big 12 sports dont compete in the sports that stanford does.

The_Dude · 10-17-2003, 03:52 PM

I'd lilke to point out something

Quote:

Sports Illustrated last fall ranked Texas as the number one college athletic program in the nation, besting 323 other Division I sports programs; among the criteria Sports Illustrated used to rate the schools were performances from the 2001-02 academic year and the school's rankings in the NCAA Division I all-sports standings.

http://big12sports.ocsn.com/sports/m...101703aaa.html

SAM821 · 10-17-2003, 04:02 PM

ACC... wait till Miami, V-Tech, and BC get there

Artermis · 10-17-2003, 05:54 PM

The problem is that Texas only plays sports it can compete in. Notice how most the sports that they do compete in they are good or very good. They do not compete in programs that they cannot so they shut it down and then have fans who whine that it is unfair because they do not compete in everything.

Art

The_Dude · 10-17-2003, 06:04 PM

I dont think we have room for anymore facilities here. The campus is in downtown austin with no more room to expand. i dont think it's just texas that doesnt field many of these teams.

even if, you cant be good if you dont have a team. the philosophy here is to buy championships (sad isnt it? just like the yankees). UT spends a lot of $$ on coaches and i'm sure that they can make a team better by shelling out more $$.

djtestudo · 10-17-2003, 08:13 PM

Can you imagine the ACC in two years?

Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, NC State, Maryland in football.

Plus Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Boston College, Wake Forest, Maryland in basketball.

The scales are starting to tip east...

corporatex · 10-19-2003, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Artermis
SEC is not the best all around confernce...that would be the PAC10.

SEC is a great football and basketball confernce with some good track programs.

Big Ten is a great football, basketball, hockey, volleyball, swimming and wrestling.

Big 12 is a great football, basketball, wrestling and baseball confernce.

ACC is a great basketball and soccer confernce (football is missing a couple of teams).

Big East is a great basketball confernce.

PAC10 is a great football, basketball, softball, baseball, track, volleyball and all other water sports.

The other conferences are just good except for Rice who won the NCAA baseball last year.

PAC10 is the best all around sports confernce.

Art

I could not agree more. The argument for the other conference are solely based on who is on the top in basketball and football. Well there is other sports and Stanford dominates the other sports. Without Standford in the Pac 10, I would say that the ACC is the best overall sports conference.

10-15-2003, 04:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
burntmonkey Tilted	SEC is the best sports conference Is there really any argument against the SEC being the best overall conference in the NCAA? (Of course there is, but just putting a little fuel on the fire!)

10-15-2003, 04:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	right..... i guess u havent heard of the BIG XII hmm....2 out of the final four teams last year from where? we all know about big xii football. conference play has lowered the rankings of teh schools, but if i remember right, 3 out of the top 5 teams in the beginning of the year were from the big 12. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-15-2003, 06:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Location: Iowa City	7 of the 11 teams in the BIG TEN are ranked in the top 25 poll. I believe that ties some sort of record. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

10-15-2003, 06:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	ACC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

10-16-2003, 08:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	This is from the director's cup 2002-2003 1. Stanford (Cal.) 1420.5 (PAC10) 2. Texas 1094 (BigXII) 3. Ohio State 1074.75 (Big Ten) 4. Michigan 1034.25 (Big Ten) 5. Penn State 993 (Big Ten) 6. California-Los Angeles 943.75 (PAC10) 7. Florida 935.75 (SEC) 8. North Carolina 933.5 (ACC) 9. California 884.75 (PAC10) 10. Arizona State 860.75 (PAC10) 11. Minnesota 845 (Big Ten) 12. Auburn (Ala.) 822.75 (SEC) 13. Notre Dame (Ind.) 822.5 (Big East/Ind) 13. Southern California 822.5 (PAC10) 15. Georgia 784.75 (SEC) 16. Arizona 760 (PAC10) 17. Washington 732 (PAC10) 18. South Carolina 701 (SEC) 19. Virginia 690 (ACC) 20. Oklahoma 643.25 (Big XII) 21. Duke (N.C.) 643 (ACC) 22. Maryland 620.5 (ACC) 23. LSU 597.25 (SEC) 24. Nebraska 596.5 (Big XII) 25 Wisconsin 579 (Big Ten) Conference breakdown: PAC10- 7 schools total points-6424.25 Big Ten- 5 schools total points-4526 SEC- 5 teams tp- 3841.5 ACC- 4 teams tp 2887 Big XII- 3 tp- 2333.75 Big East- 1 tp- 822.5 This shows that the PAC10 is first and Big Ten is 2nd with SEC a close third. Dude while you overstate how good the Big XII is again by coming in 5th at least your Texas has the 2nd best all around program.. Art Last edited by Artermis; 10-16-2003 at 08:06 AM..

10-15-2003, 04:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
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10-16-2003, 07:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	SEC is not the best all around confernce...that would be the PAC10. SEC is a great football and basketball confernce with some good track programs. Big Ten is a great football, basketball, hockey, volleyball, swimming and wrestling. Big 12 is a great football, basketball, wrestling and baseball confernce. ACC is a great basketball and soccer confernce (football is missing a couple of teams). Big East is a great basketball confernce. PAC10 is a great football, basketball, softball, baseball, track, volleyball and all other water sports. The other conferences are just good except for Rice who won the NCAA baseball last year. PAC10 is the best all around sports confernce. Art

10-16-2003, 08:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	I know how the director's cup tallies up points. they look through every single sport that the university plays. stanford prolly plays like a shitload of sports that UT doesnt play. i was just referring to the major sports (football, basketball (both mens and womens, baseball) that's about all that gets any kind of tv coverage. UT's sports are FOOTBALL M BASKETBALL W BASKETBALL BASEBALL SOCCER VOLLEYBALL SOFTBALL SWIMMING/DIVING TRACK & FIELD/XC TENNIS GOLF ROWING (all i could find on texassports.com) Stanford on the other hand has Baseball (650) 723-4528 Basketball - Men (650) 723-0562 Basketball - Women (650) 723-0284 Crew - Women (650) 725-0749 Crew - Women Lightweight (650) 724-2452 Crew - Men (650) 725-0748 Cross Country - Men & Women (650) 723-2736 Diving - Men & Women (650) 723-9159 Fencing - Men & Women (650) 725-3587 Field Hockey (650) 725-0751 Football (650) 723-4511 Golf - Men (650) 323-0939 Golf - Women (650) 323-0938 Gymnastics - Men (650) 723-9591 Gymnastics - Women (650) 725-6143 Lacrosse - Women (650) 725-1994 Sailing (650) 723-2811 Soccer - Men (650) 723-9375 Soccer - Women (650) 725-9884 Softball (650) 725-0736 Swimming - Men (650) 723-4416 Swimming - Women (650) 736-0923 Synchronized Swimming (650) 725-0128 Tennis - Men (650) 723-1160 Tennis - Women (650) 723-9540 Track & Field - Men & Women (650) 723-2736 Volleyball - Men (650) 725-0763 Volleyball - Women (650) 723-1997 Water Polo - Men (650) 723-1874 Water Polo - Women (650) 725-9016 Wrestling (650) 723-9486 I'm sorry, but a water polo championship should in no way be equal to a football/baseball national championship. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-16-2003, 08:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
burntmonkey Tilted	I love all you Texans. I never knew a good Texan who did not also own a full-sized Texas flag and display it proudly in his or her living room.

10-16-2003, 11:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	why not dude? Just because one has more exposure than the other does not make it any less competitive. I think that the reason you only find those on the site is because them are the only ones they are any good at...well they should be taking football off at anytime... Art

10-16-2003, 12:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
mml Adrift Location: Wandering in the Desert of Life	If you look at sports OVERALL, there is not doubt that the PAC 10 is the strongest as was clearly pointed out by Art. Thank you sir. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." -Douglas Adams

10-17-2003, 04:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
SAM821 Surviving Hurricanes Location: Miami, Florida	ACC... wait till Miami, V-Tech, and BC get there

10-17-2003, 05:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	The problem is that Texas only plays sports it can compete in. Notice how most the sports that they do compete in they are good or very good. They do not compete in programs that they cannot so they shut it down and then have fans who whine that it is unfair because they do not compete in everything. Art

10-17-2003, 06:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	I dont think we have room for anymore facilities here. The campus is in downtown austin with no more room to expand. i dont think it's just texas that doesnt field many of these teams. even if, you cant be good if you dont have a team. the philosophy here is to buy championships (sad isnt it? just like the yankees). UT spends a lot of $$ on coaches and i'm sure that they can make a team better by shelling out more $$. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

10-17-2003, 08:13 PM	#18 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Can you imagine the ACC in two years? Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech, NC State, Maryland in football. Plus Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Boston College, Wake Forest, Maryland in basketball. The scales are starting to tip east... __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun