maximusveritas

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

What do you guys think about Limbaugh's charge?

Personally, I think teams will play whoever gives them the best chance to win and make more money. Even if you believe Rush's assertion about the media, its up to the coach to make a decision. Just a few years ago, people like Rush were saying that African-Americans could never play quarterback because they weren't smart enough. Now that they've seemingly been proven wrong, their only defense is to claim that the black QB's aren't as good as they seem.

As far as McNabb, I think his record speaks for itself. Every QB has a couple bad games. McNabb was given as tough a time making it in this league as any other QB, getting booed when he was drafted and criticized in the press. He's proved himself year in and year out and I wouldn't be surprised if this stuff motivates him to go out and prove himself again.

MikeyChalupa

He sucked in that Lincoln Financial commercial, and in the Chunky's Soup commercial.

Black QB's just don't make commercials as good as white QB's, because Peyton Manning and Brett Favre's Sunday Ticket commercials are awesome.

I can see Rush's point though. There has only been one black QB who ever won a Super Bowl, Doug Williams of the Washington Redskins who beat John Elway's Broncos in SB XXII. With all the air time given to the not enough black head coaches thing, it is easy to see why the media wants a black QB to do well. Their original point was that there were not enough black QB's in the league; there are now enough starting black QB's to silence that argument. Unfortunately, they are not consistently good enough to please critics. Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Rodney Peete, Byron Leftwich, Quincy Carter, Daunte Culpepper, Aaron Brooks, Steve McNair, and Donovan McNabb are all capable quarterbacks, the best among them being Vick and McNair. A Super Bowl champion black QB would probably shut those critics up for good, but for now, none except Stewart have been able to get there, and he'll never see another one.

I don't know... you never hear the media screaming for more white running backs and wide receivers. I've named 9 black starting quarterbacks. (I know, Delhomme is starting for Carolina these days; but Peete started the season.) Can you name 9 white starting running backs or wide receivers?

-Mikey

perripken

Rush Limbaugh is a douchebag!

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The_Dude

I actually watched him live when he said it and the other guys on there were objecting to him.

I just dont think Rush should be anywhere near espn.

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gov135

I saw the show as it happened. The commentators were talking about things like mechanics and lack of talent around McNabb - then Limbaugh jumped in with this hooey. This is what Limbaugh is payed to do - spout outrageous crap and get people worked up. That's what he did on the radio for all those years.

I know they say Limbaugh is a "fan," and that's what qualifies him, but if you've actually have seen the show he offers no insight that you or I couldn't bring. As for the black quarterback thing being "hyped" by the media, that's just plain stupid. He has led his team to back to back NFC championship games - you get some pub when you do that.

Unfortunately, this incident will make ESPN's pre-game the "next big thing." Already, ratings are up ten percent. Today, Limbaugh's mug is platered all over the USAToday and other publications. People will tune in to see what outrageous things he will say next. *sighs*

Remember when they used to cover the games during pre-game, without the half-naked piece of ass, professional comedian, or professional blowhard?

foolio7714

How true.....Is there anything more useless than that sideline reporter?

stallion

I stopped watching ESPN's Sunday Countdown because they added Limbaugh. What was the purpose in this? Were their ratings dropping so low that they had to add him for stunts like this one? I mean adding Limbaugh to their show would be like adding say...Dennis Rodman to "Meet the Press"...it just doesn't make sense...

As far as McNabb...I'm not sure what's up with him. I don't get to see many Eagles games in the midwest but it could be a number of factors. Their defense lost a lot of key players from last years team. Maybe McNabb is putting more pressure on himself knowing that the defense isn't what it was. He only has 3 INT's this year but the number of sacks he's had is 13, second highest in the league...maybe his O-line sucks. But as for the fact he is a black quarterback, in my opinion, it has nothing to do with it...

Begora21

I believe Franken said it best, "Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot."

absorbentishe

In this circle, Rush is an idiot. In the political arean, he's fine. He shouldn't have mixed the two, and he should stay out of football. McNabb is an awesome qb, and has skills. Getting injured last year has not helped his developement this year, but he will be fine.

Redlemon

It would be really nice if this entirely destroyed Limbaugh's career, like it did for Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder: "...the slave owner would breed his big black with his big woman so that he would have a big black kid. That's where it all started."

I'm sure it won't, however.

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Elegant Holmes

I think he's right. McNabb is a good quarterback, the guy didn't say that, but McNair is so much better. McNabb can't say he won the big game on the field (maybe on the Playstation). He is very good. He's much better than my sorry ass, but the guy has way more media attention than he deserves. I think Warren Moon deserved better.

gov135

Just figured someone might be interested...

When you connect to America Online, the first thing you see is:
Rush Blitzes Black Athlete: Says Race is Why QB Starts

Hmmmm... no he didn't. But I don't much care if this is what the 'spin' on this ends up being. However, I agree with Redlemon, this won't do anything but help his career and the ESPN show. Limbaugh is sitting at home laughing right now at all the free publicity he's getting.

RoadRage

When Limbaugh breaks his ankle early in the first quarter of his radio show and goes ahead and finishes the show without medical assistance, I'll believe his spewage about McNabb being overrated.

The Eagles current suckage is not McNabb overrating but some truly shitty play by his teammates, specifically his running backs and wide receivers.

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filtherton

I think limbaugh is only on radio and tv because the liberal media is pandering fat rich white men. He's really no better than the average fat rich white man.

interrogator

I don't know who I feel sorry for, Limbaugh, or the hordes of his followers. It's depressing we still have to deal with this BS in 2003.

matthew330

I love him

BigGov

Lets see...McNabb has passed for over 400 yards and 4 TD's on a snapped, not just broken, but snapped ankle. He's also led the Eagles to an NFC Title game with only 11 other guys. In other words, his number one receiver was a no name released from the REDSKINS (Thrash) and his number one running back was some rookie they scrounged up (Buckhalter). So, he had to make plays with his feet, and did it all the way to the championship game, AND got robbed of the MVP. Now, if that sucks, and if that's overrated, well then, the NFL is the most overrated league in professional sports.

interrogator

I can't wait to see Westbrook kick some arse this sunday...

tj2001cobra

Nahh, that would be the NBA.

As for the whole black/white thing at QB, it really isn't worth it to argue about. It is a fact that the media (I'll let you decide if they are liberal or conservative) have screamed about having more black coaches. I am sure they they have complained about black QB's as well but it doesn't get the attention because the QB position has to be earned.

The media doesn't say we need more white players, but I would guess that well over 50% of the league is black.

No one is ever going to "win" the race arguement.

Ustwo

Rush is mostly correct on this one.

In chicago we have the opposite effect with Brian Urlacher (not sure how close on spelling that is) since he is a quick white linebacker. He's been sucking REALLY bad since last year, but being the odd white linebacker he is the media darling.

Urlacher is being over hyped because he is white. I think black QB's get the same treatment.

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Tophat665

What do I think of Limbaugh's charge? I think Limbaugh made it, so it'd take 10 years and a panel of sports experts before I'd even consider the possibility that it might have been accurate.

The merit of the argument goes fishing when the merit of the arguer is nil.

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dylanmarsh

Limbaugh just resigned. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

BigGov

tj, I was being sarcastic in the end of that post.

The point being, if Donovan McNabb, someone who was robbed for the MVP a few years ago, has carried an entire offense, and has shown incredible heart in playing through a snapped ankle and dehydration (numerous times) is over-rated, than the entire NFL must be over-rated.

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Phaenx

I don't think it was anything personal against McNabb, rather the media. I'm inclined to believe him judging by the response it got.

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Ustwo

Being that Rush defended the NFL's new rules on black head coaches 2 weeks ago, I rather doubt it is a race thing.

The sin Rush did was mentioning the idea that a black would get undeserved preferential treatment. You can claim racism only if it hurts a minority, no matter how bogus the charge, and get away with it (look at some of the crap Sosa said during the cork episode), but god help you if you say a black got a break because he was black.

maximusveritas

yep, Limbaugh is history.
http://msn.espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html

Funny thing is, he actually still thinks he's right on this issue. In fact, he seems to think that BECAUSE people are outraged by his comments, they must have been true.

Now that's some messed up logic. So if Limbaugh says that we need to kill all black people in the US and people are outraged, he must be right. I can't believe people actually listen to a word this idiot says.

Spartak

Do FBs count ? There are plenty of those (Ritchie, Alstott etc etc etc)

White WRs.. hmm..

Chrebet (Jets)
Boerighter (Chiefs)
McCaffrey (Broncos)
Berlin (Titans)
Dwight (Chargers)


No, thats about it.

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johnnymysto

Why should he resign or be fired? He said, "the media wants a black QB to do well." He didn't call him anything derogatory, demean his heritage, or anything RACIST. He stated an opinion. He didn't say "that black so-and-so is only on the team cuz he's black!!" And he didn't say "I don't think he's a good QB because he's black!" Once again, people overreact just because someone stated their negative opinion of a person AND happened to mention race in the same sentence. This is another example of PC run amok.

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interrogator

And now Rush's drug accusations come out... hmm...

Kurant

I disagree completely.

Tell me Rushs' comments don't say the same thing as, "He's not that good. The media wants people to think he's that good. The reason the media hypes him up, and gives him so much credit, is because he's black, and the media wants a black QB to excell in the league.".

It's the exact same thing chief. You can easily mis understand what's he's saying. But you can't tell people they can't call it racsim.

gov135

Bye Bye, Rush. Sports will be better without you.

I loved your last comment, veritas.

My opinion? Rush "resigned" under some pressure. Look, you can go and hint around things or say whatever you want on your talkshow. And, as for the person who said "why do people listen anyway" - it's not because they agree with him but because they want to see what idiot thing he's gonna say next - he and Howard Stern have alot in common.

I guess none of us should be surprised. You can't work for the Disney Corporation and spout nonsense like that.

gov135

Uhhh... you can state a negative opinion about someone. Sports people do it all the time. You can't state a negative opinion about someones performance on the field and then toss race in for good measure. You don't "happen" to toss in race in a non-racial issue. Your "AND" is the problem here.

Elegant Holmes

I could not have said it more succinctly.
...and with respect to Jimmy4, I agree McNabb is a hell of a player. I don't think anyone would disagree. I do think he is overrated. The NFL is becomming more and more like WWF because the Media Dogs need to feed on the sweet entrails of the allmighty rating.


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dy156

Don't mean to state the obvious, but the eagles got to the championship game without McNabb, and McNabb did not do so well when since he came back, until last week. I don't agree with Rush on alot of things, but his position on this could be defended.

johnnymysto

Gov135, I'm not saying that what Rush said is true because it's obviously not. McNabb is a great quarterback, and anybody can tell that from his stats. I'm just saying that Rush voiced his opinion that the MEDIA is being racist by hyping McNabb just because he's black.

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interrogator

Then per today's news releases, I want to critisize him for being a fat white guy with an addition to oxycontin.

oh wait. that would classify all us fat white guys.

RoadRage

Speak for yourself, Honkie. I'm not fat, I'm not addicted to oxycontin (WTF-ever that is), and I'm not White.

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interrogator

hehehehe

grumpyolddude

Rush Limbaugh was inaccurate in his assessment of both McNabb's performance, and the media's behavior. The fact that he took "the path of least resistance" (his words) and resigned instead of staying engaged in the dialog speaks volumes.

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Kurant

Wow, your cool.