BASEBALL: Who is the best recent pitcher??? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

cheesemoney · 08-11-2003, 09:47 PM

God, this is a tough one.
We got Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, all in the same era?
How lucky are we?

While other pitchers have been giving up meatballs that fly out over left field at record speeds, these guys dominate.
Yeah, Roger and Maddux are a little off, but they are amazing.

My personal opinion. Pedro Martinez has been the most amazing pitcher to watch. The guy only has one twenty win season, on a pretty good but never great team, and he always seems to get injured slightly. However, his ERA is unholy, he pitches in a total hitters park, and he'd have an era around 1 if he'd pitched in SF or a decent pitching park.

That said, I guess I'm going Maddux. He won the damned cy young every year Randy didn't, has the best strikeout to walk ratio ever, walks half as many dudes as nolan ryan per year, and doesn't give up the long ball.

But Pedro could end up the most dominant since Koufax.

Another rant. I love the strikeout, but an out is an out. Common people. For all those K's nolan got, he is 23rd all time in Home Runs allowed.

The stats *I* really like to look at.
ERA
Opposing AVG
Walks + Hits / 9
Innings Pitched / G

Cheese

Tex · 08-11-2003, 09:57 PM

I may be a bit biased (being a braves fan) but I'ma go with Greg Maddux. What do you notice when you see the other 3 pitchers? 93+ mph fastballs on all of them, and 95 mph + on two of them. Maddux never touched 90. His extraordinary ability to get out the best hitters in the entire world simply by location, location, and more location. His circle change up ranks up there as one of the most dominating pitches in the history of the game, along with Nolan Ryan's fastball, Randy Johnson's slider etc. In 1995, he had an unheard of 19-2 season with a 1.63 E.R.A. and the year before that he had an even better 1.56 E.R.A! He has 15 straight 15+ wins seasons and is on his way to another. Greg Maddux truly defines what a "Pitcher" is.

The_Dude · 08-11-2003, 10:07 PM

my vote goes for randy johnson

crafty · 08-11-2003, 10:37 PM

Greg Maddux all the way.. I'm definately biased however, being a huge Braves fan..

I have a copy of every Maddux rookie card ever made =)
/brag off

LaZy · 08-12-2003, 04:02 AM

Gotta go with Johnson, since I'm a D'Backs fan. Even though he hasn't been the same this year since coming back from his knee surgery. No Curt Schilling option?

absorbentishe · 08-12-2003, 04:39 AM

I'm a Yankee fan, and have always followed "The Rocket", but I have to nod to Maddux. This guy has been unhittable many time over, except for late. Pedro ranks second just based on performance.

And yes, being a baseball fan in the last 15 years has been a true delight to watch all of these guys pitch.

agentsmith · 08-12-2003, 08:07 AM

Pedro by a huge margin

BigGov · 08-12-2003, 09:30 AM

Pedro Pedro Pedro

Has great control, has great speed, has great control over all of his pitches, and doesn't mind throwing a little chin music.

Dang · 08-12-2003, 11:45 AM

How could anyone of you not give the nod to Roger. It's so obvious, just look at the numbers

Clemens:

Games: 598
Complete Games: 117
Innings Pitched: 4223.2
Strikeouts: 4063
Wins: 304
Career ERA: 3.17

The only other pitcher I would even consider would be Greg Maddux. Clemens has been one of the most consistent pitchers to ever play the game. While Pedro and Randy have put together several dominant years...neither have been as consistent and reliable as Clemens.

bender · 08-12-2003, 12:32 PM

Pedro all the way.

bparker805 · 08-12-2003, 12:38 PM

The Rocket... 'nuff said

08-12-2003, 01:27 PM

Jaime Moyer

iceman2032 · 08-12-2003, 02:05 PM

Are we talking about just this season, or for the past few seasons. If it's the past few seasons I would then say Clemens. But if it's just this year, I would say Jason Schmidt

Dang · 08-12-2003, 03:35 PM

This is the poll question: Who is the best overall pitcher of this era?

Blu2e354 · 08-12-2003, 05:24 PM

pedro when he is healthy otherwise clemens

Scratch · 08-13-2003, 04:30 AM

Maddox - (excluding last night....) 15 stright years of at least 15 wins. Cy Young is the only other - not sure how you get more consistent than that - he still has a good shot at 15 wins (11 right now) this year which will make it 16 years.

agentsmith · 08-13-2003, 08:15 AM

if only pedro had the run support

sportsrule101 · 08-13-2003, 08:51 AM

only reason clemons wins now is because he plays for the best hitting team. Because he is washed up, it made me so happy when he didn't win his 300 right away. the other 3 are about even.

Dang · 08-13-2003, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sportsrule101
only reason clemons wins now is because he plays for the best hitting team. Because he is washed up, it made me so happy when he didn't win his 300 right away. the other 3 are about even.

The Yankees are not the best hitting team in baseball. Both Boston and Atlanta are better.

Dang · 08-13-2003, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by agentsmith
if only pedro had the run support

This I understand... most teams will adjust their rotation in order to have their best pitcher facing Pedro. So any time Pedro pitches the opposing team throws their #1....and yet for whatever reason the ChokeSox, #1 offense in baseball, can't buy a run. I suppose they'd rather leave the buying of runs to the Yankees.

forseti-6 · 08-13-2003, 01:08 PM

I've gotta go with RJ. He's just simply dominant. Roger has had his bad seasons, RJ not really.

cheesemoney · 08-13-2003, 05:45 PM

As an A's fan, I had a great time watching Tim Hudson, who I think SHOULD win this year's AL cy young (he would, if he had run support--and continues to outpitch loiza) outpitch Pedro the other day... Damn, this poll is close. Kinda depends how you look at dominance, doesn't it. Clemens has been consistent, but with pretty solid teams. Maddux likewise. Christ, its really tough.

Remember though guys... strikeouts are still overrated, even though they're cool (kinda like KO's in boxing).

Wow... on a sidenote, the Yank's are getting killed by the royals in the 5th right now...
Cheese

View Poll Results: Who is the best overall pitcher of this era?
Pedro Martinez	6	20.00%
Greg Maddux	9	30.00%
Randy Johnson	8	26.67%
Roger Clemens	7	23.33%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

08-11-2003, 09:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
cheesemoney Loser Location: Paradise	BASEBALL: Who is the best recent pitcher??? God, this is a tough one. We got Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, all in the same era? How lucky are we? While other pitchers have been giving up meatballs that fly out over left field at record speeds, these guys dominate. Yeah, Roger and Maddux are a little off, but they are amazing. My personal opinion. Pedro Martinez has been the most amazing pitcher to watch. The guy only has one twenty win season, on a pretty good but never great team, and he always seems to get injured slightly. However, his ERA is unholy, he pitches in a total hitters park, and he'd have an era around 1 if he'd pitched in SF or a decent pitching park. That said, I guess I'm going Maddux. He won the damned cy young every year Randy didn't, has the best strikeout to walk ratio ever, walks half as many dudes as nolan ryan per year, and doesn't give up the long ball. But Pedro could end up the most dominant since Koufax. Another rant. I love the strikeout, but an out is an out. Common people. For all those K's nolan got, he is 23rd all time in Home Runs allowed. The stats I really like to look at. ERA Opposing AVG Walks + Hits / 9 Innings Pitched / G Cheese

08-11-2003, 10:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	my vote goes for randy johnson __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

08-12-2003, 04:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
LaZy Crazy Location: AZ	Gotta go with Johnson, since I'm a D'Backs fan. Even though he hasn't been the same this year since coming back from his knee surgery. No Curt Schilling option? __________________ Ideas pull the trigger, but instinct loads the gun. I know who you are!

08-12-2003, 09:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	Pedro Pedro Pedro Has great control, has great speed, has great control over all of his pitches, and doesn't mind throwing a little chin music. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

08-11-2003, 09:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tex Crazy Location: Orange County, CA	I may be a bit biased (being a braves fan) but I'ma go with Greg Maddux. What do you notice when you see the other 3 pitchers? 93+ mph fastballs on all of them, and 95 mph + on two of them. Maddux never touched 90. His extraordinary ability to get out the best hitters in the entire world simply by location, location, and more location. His circle change up ranks up there as one of the most dominating pitches in the history of the game, along with Nolan Ryan's fastball, Randy Johnson's slider etc. In 1995, he had an unheard of 19-2 season with a 1.63 E.R.A. and the year before that he had an even better 1.56 E.R.A! He has 15 straight 15+ wins seasons and is on his way to another. Greg Maddux truly defines what a "Pitcher" is.

08-11-2003, 10:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
crafty Tilted Location: Omaha, NE	Greg Maddux all the way.. I'm definately biased however, being a huge Braves fan.. I have a copy of every Maddux rookie card ever made =) /brag off

08-12-2003, 04:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	I'm a Yankee fan, and have always followed "The Rocket", but I have to nod to Maddux. This guy has been unhittable many time over, except for late. Pedro ranks second just based on performance. And yes, being a baseball fan in the last 15 years has been a true delight to watch all of these guys pitch.

08-12-2003, 08:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
agentsmith Crazy	Pedro by a huge margin

08-12-2003, 11:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
Dang Upright	How could anyone of you not give the nod to Roger. It's so obvious, just look at the numbers Clemens: Games: 598 Complete Games: 117 Innings Pitched: 4223.2 Strikeouts: 4063 Wins: 304 Career ERA: 3.17 The only other pitcher I would even consider would be Greg Maddux. Clemens has been one of the most consistent pitchers to ever play the game. While Pedro and Randy have put together several dominant years...neither have been as consistent and reliable as Clemens.

08-12-2003, 12:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
bender Addict Location: around the corner	Pedro all the way.

08-12-2003, 12:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
bparker805 is KING! Location: On the path to Valhalla.	The Rocket... 'nuff said

08-12-2003, 01:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ruiner Guest	Jaime Moyer

08-12-2003, 02:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
iceman2032 Crazy	Are we talking about just this season, or for the past few seasons. If it's the past few seasons I would then say Clemens. But if it's just this year, I would say Jason Schmidt

08-12-2003, 03:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dang Upright	This is the poll question: Who is the best overall pitcher of this era?

08-12-2003, 05:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blu2e354 Crazy Location: Illinois	pedro when he is healthy otherwise clemens

08-13-2003, 04:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
Scratch Upright	Maddox - (excluding last night....) 15 stright years of at least 15 wins. Cy Young is the only other - not sure how you get more consistent than that - he still has a good shot at 15 wins (11 right now) this year which will make it 16 years. __________________ We thought that we had the answers It was the questions we had wrong - Bono

08-13-2003, 08:15 AM	#17 (permalink)
agentsmith Crazy	if only pedro had the run support

08-13-2003, 08:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
sportsrule101 Insane	only reason clemons wins now is because he plays for the best hitting team. Because he is washed up, it made me so happy when he didn't win his 300 right away. the other 3 are about even. __________________ winning isn't everything but losing isn't anything

08-13-2003, 01:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	I've gotta go with RJ. He's just simply dominant. Roger has had his bad seasons, RJ not really. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

08-13-2003, 05:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
cheesemoney Loser Location: Paradise	As an A's fan, I had a great time watching Tim Hudson, who I think SHOULD win this year's AL cy young (he would, if he had run support--and continues to outpitch loiza) outpitch Pedro the other day... Damn, this poll is close. Kinda depends how you look at dominance, doesn't it. Clemens has been consistent, but with pretty solid teams. Maddux likewise. Christ, its really tough. Remember though guys... strikeouts are still overrated, even though they're cool (kinda like KO's in boxing). Wow... on a sidenote, the Yank's are getting killed by the royals in the 5th right now... Cheese